Just hit the motherload

Hedge · 10 Jun 2008 at 11:11

When a housing association makes deals with the council to develop on an estate, the council gets funds from a number of sources for improving the area. People know this, so they have no option but to give money to the people they are turfing out.

Why people get so irate about it, i dont know.

Sometimes you just need to accept that its how life works.

Id rather a person earning a load of money lived in a cheap to rent council house, than someone whos never had a job, has no intention to work, and has about 13kids to different mothers doss in them for life.

Its definately jealousy thats the factor here. I think.. damn what a cushy number!, cash, and a new house. Nice one!

i dont think "you are just the same as all the scummy spongers in this country!, get yourself a mortgage you ****" like everyone else seems to be thinking here.

Sankari · 10 Jun 2008 at 11:17

Janesy B said:
I think he means all the nasty stealth taxes in place and fuel duty which is crippling the very people that labour are supposed to exsist for while the upper class morons can still drive around in their massive 4x4's and not really worry about the implications and i have to struggle with filling up my escort every month.

Well, in that case I wouldn't call the tax increases "massive". And the current cost of fuel is due entirely to market forces; nothing to do with the government.

Under the "fuel escalator" system introduced by the Tories, fuel tax rose from 39.4p in 1995 to 58.6p in 2000. That's an increase of 19.2p in 5 years.

Labour abolished the "fuel escalator" in 1999, and fuel tax began to rise far more slowly. In 2005, the fuel excise was 60.6p. By 2007 it had risen to 63.7p. That's an increase of 2.1p in 2 years.

I defy anyone to prove that this increase is "crippling".

Flukester · 10 Jun 2008 at 11:17

earning 20k you should not be in a council house.

imo council houses are for those who would be on the streets without help

jealousy doesn't come into it, it's not even that much money, but if repeated all over the country little things like this just add up to the overall 'crapness' of the economy.

Hedge · 10 Jun 2008 at 11:20

Well explain how people would be on the streets without help?

why should we pay to get people off the streets if they cant help themselves?

wannabedamned · 10 Jun 2008 at 11:20

woo hooo, 9 pages. Awesome

I noticed a comment back in the thread about me not paying as much tax as some others. Just confused me, As I'm paying as much tax as I've been asked for. Council Tax, NI and PAYE. I don't get let off with any tax. So When you say "I'm getting a payout because of what you put in". Surely I'm getting a payout because of what I put in also. I've paid tax all my working life, Am I not entitled to a lump back when the council do something that warrants it? Yeah it's a given that me being moved out of my home isn't upsetting. Would people in this thread show a different side if I was distraught?

Everyone in the estate are getting the payout, the same payout. Since when does someones feelings equate to how much money they receive? Or whether they receive anything at all? They get what they are deemed to be entitled to, And I am.

So woo

Janesy B · 10 Jun 2008 at 11:23

Evangelion said:
Well, in that case I wouldn't call the tax increases "massive". And the current cost of fuel is due entirely to market forces; nothing to do with the government.

Under the "fuel escalator" system introduced by the Tories, fuel tax rose from 39.4p in 1995 to 58.6p in 2000. That's an increase of 19.2p in 5 years.

Labour abolished the "fuel escalator" in 1999, and fuel tax began to rise far more slowly. In 2005, the fuel excise was 60.6p. By 2007 it had risen to 63.7p. That's an increase of 2.1p in 2 years.

I defy anyone to prove that this increase is "crippling".

When i started driving a few months ago prices only just hit £1 a litre, now it's £1.20 a litre for me. Although its not 100% the governments fault we do pay the highest fuel duty in the EU and i think that the fuel duty should be decreased and hit cars with low mpg figures with higher tax and price 4x4's out of the city as they have no place in London etc. this at least gives the person the choice of getting a small car or saving money or buying a big car and spending out, the taxes have nothing to do with saving the environment, more to make up the massive inefficiencies that lay within the labour government.

Glaucus · 10 Jun 2008 at 11:25

NokkonWud said:
I would say being kicked out of your house where you live, not because he can't afford it, but because he HAS to as they are knocking it down, then he should be compensated. Whether he was a multi-millionaire or a job-seeker it would be the same.

You jumped to a conclusion and your assumption was wrong.

WHy? it's rented accommodation, it's not his. He would get no such things in the private sector. It's part and parcel of having rented accommodation. You have to accept these things could happen.

Cyanide said:
I'm on more than 20k and I'm struggling. At the time I needed to move I was on 18k and there were no houses for under 85k near to where I needed to be. 20k is not an amount that I'd be able to live on at the moment, mainly down to the increasing cost of mortgage payments, council tax, fuel, food, utility bills and wages rising well below inflation.

YThen rent, buying is a luxury not a necessity.

Stinky said:
if your renting in central london how much is that costing per month?

Can easily be done on 600 with all bills included.

wordy said:
Threads like this just showcases the selfishness and meanness of spirit of some poeple brilliantly. Some one comes on saying he's had a bit of good luck, and becuase other people haven't had the same they automatically decry the OP and make assumptions of his lifestyle without knowing anything about him.

It has nothing to do with that. It's simply pointing out how tax is wasted and why we all pay so much. The attitude of goverment takes enough so lets all claim what we can back. Is why labour has increased tax and got away with it. It is not jealousy or selfishness it's simply showing how silly the system is.

JBuk · 10 Jun 2008 at 11:26

Flukester said:
earning 20k you should not be in a council house.

imo council houses are for those who would be on the streets without help

.

council houses are intended as affordable housing for anyone (realistically the working classes)

they are not just for people who would otherwise be on the street

infact according to wiki in 2005 20% of housing in the uk was council owned

obviously they will be given to people who are in more need than others, eg a single mother with 2 kids but that does not mean a single guy is any less entitled

judging by the housing estates up here i would guess most of the families that work are earning well over £20k and there has been a big push in the last few years to get rid of the stigma thats attached to them

Flukester · 10 Jun 2008 at 11:27

Hedge said:
Well explain how people would be on the streets without help?

why should we pay to get people off the streets if they cant help themselves?

people get themselves in a right mess in life, because we are a civilized society we do and should help them up on their feet.

once 'up on their feet' though, they should start to look after themselves... or they become the dreaded 'freeloader' that every sane person hates and our goverment often fails to see because they are bogged down in small print ,outdated laws and sheer numbers to deal with.

once one person has a free lunch, everyone wants one

Indy500 · 10 Jun 2008 at 11:30

Councils (and thus any other organisation) do not help intentionally homeless people. Get your facts straight please.

Janesy B · 10 Jun 2008 at 11:33

Flukester said:
people get themselves in a right mess in life, because we are a civilized society we do and should help them up on their feet.

once 'up on their feet' though, they should start to look after themselves... or they become the dreaded 'freeloader' that every sane person hates and our goverment often fails to see because they are bogged down in small print ,outdated laws and sheer numbers to deal with.

once one person has a free lunch, everyone wants one

You take a homeless person off the street and into a home and he'll expect the rest for free unless you spend loads of money trying to integrate them back into society. People make a mess of their lives, get kicked out of home, usually a drug addict, very rarely have I seen a 'normal' person on the streets who found themselves homeless. It's a harsh world and i dont see why someone who has made a right mess of their life should get a 'free lunch' over a key worker who is working for the greater good of society and is trying to better themselves. Said homeless person deserves a bedsit, bread and water, a shower and a job paper and nothing more.

Deluxe1 · 10 Jun 2008 at 11:39

Flukester said:
earning 20k you should not be in a council house.

imo council houses are for those who would be on the streets without help

You havent got a clue have you?

If council houses were just for those who would be on the streets without help then their would be thousands of empty council houses and flats sitting empty all over the country.

Do you honestly think there is enough private homes for everyone that you seem to think shouldnt be in council homes? The answer is No.

Where i live there are loads of council estates,i know familes that have lived in council houses for over 30 years and have bought the property from the council themselves.

james.miller · 10 Jun 2008 at 11:49

Flukester said:
earning 20k you should not be in a council house.

imo council houses are for those who would be on the streets without help

jealousy doesn't come into it, it's not even that much money, but if repeated all over the country little things like this just add up to the overall 'crapness' of the economy.

good lord!

Welshy · 10 Jun 2008 at 12:33

Time to close the thread I believe, people just aren't going to change their opinions and keep throwing their toys out of the pram.

Morba · 10 Jun 2008 at 12:35

JBuk said:
he wont be renting off the council as the new properties will be housing association

also they will cost more to rent

afaik hes a key worker so gets slightly higher on the list

but anyways i dont see the problem of him getting a council home, 20k is not a lot especially after tax and NI

I dont give a damn if he's a teacher tbh, dont like your wages? get a better paid job :]

Still, my point was about the compensation, the part you have picked up on was just a small 2nd.

Morba · 10 Jun 2008 at 12:36

Stinky said:
if your renting in central london how much is that costing per month?

the fact that there is a lot of debt means chances are they are paying back money every month as well.

He is saving a nest egg. if he has debt then he should be clearing that before saving a nest egg.

Glaucus · 10 Jun 2008 at 12:37

Welshy said:
Time to close the thread I believe, people just aren't going to change their opinions and keep throwing their toys out of the pram.

Throwing the toys out? it's just people pointing out bad policy. What's wrong with that?

KNiVES · 10 Jun 2008 at 12:41

Saying that council homes should only be for homeless people is retarded and anything otherwise is not a 'bad policy'. Did you know that nearly a fifth of all homes in the UK are council housing?

Rhys · 10 Jun 2008 at 12:42

Im so glad we have our council house. 3 bed semi, big-ish garden, drive = £70 a week. South Wales

Well done on the Council Bonus Bagging. If you cant beat em join em

Glaucus · 10 Jun 2008 at 12:44

KNiVES said:
Saying that council homes should only be for homeless people

I never said that.