Why on earth would you dispute it? That's how much they cost.
Thinking of buying a PS3
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Why on earth would you dispute it? That's how much they cost.
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I was gonna ask the same, Thats how much it cost him, and it's close to what my friend paid also, He paid 500 on the nose
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Should have made it clearer. I disupte the no games part.
Same here.
So dont dispute it, the 60GB console was £425 on release, trust me, its what it cost me. Bundle deals appeared about a mnth later for about £430 with the console adn a game, but if you wanted it on release it was £425.
Same, but i really dont mind, its been my most used console that ive ever owned so its earned it price. It also brilliant when people ask if you own a PS3, the look of envy you get when you say you bought a 60GB console.
Its a 2 speed BD actually, the longest install ive had is the 15-18 minutes for DMC4, most are 5 -10 minutes. Some games such as Ninja gaiden Sigma, UT3 offer optional installs, the best PS3 game of last year, Uncharted has no install and runs without hardly a loading screen. It can be a pain if you play 4 to 5 games that require and install, but do what you on a PC and uninstall games you no longer play, or put in a bigger HD (any laptop 2.5" ) and not have to worry bout it. The other reason for the install to HD is that its there on every machine so the Devs can use this to improve loadtimes over BD and DVD based games, and reduce stress on the BD drive mechanism and lazer.
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Spot on.
One of the reasons why I sold mine, you don't need to do that on the 360 so I don't see why you have to on the PS3.
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Because of the drive speed, It makes up for it.
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I paid the same and quite happily.
Paid 425 for mine on release, further forked out for Resistance & Motorstorm, worth it though as im glad ive got a 60gb model.
N installs are to reduce loading times, 2x blu-ray speed = 72mbps (which i think is about 16x DVD).
N installs are to reduce loading times, 2x blu-ray speed = 72mbps (which i think is about 16x DVD).
Drive speeds are not as simple as you may believe.
The PS3 has a 2× BD at or 9MB/s (72Mb/s) Constant Linear Velocity.
DVDs use Constant Angular Velocity and therefore do not have a constant read speed. They read faster the further from the middle the data is. They also read dual layer discs slower than single player ones. The drives used in the 360 are 12x for single player DVD-5 and 8x for dual layer DVD-9. Most 360 games are on DVD-9.
12x read speed max 15.85MB/s, average is 8x or 10.57MB/s
8x read speed max 10.57MB/s, average is 6x or 7.93MB/s
As you can see the 360 drive can be slower or faster than the PS3's BD depending on what kind of disc is in use and where on the disc you are reading from. That is going off perfect results, which doesn't happen often.
The end result is that both drives are relatively similar in speed, though the PS3 usually has the edge when in game, but lacks behind on loading. This is because Game discs are mastered, meaning they put the data that is accessed often or is time-critical on the fast bit of the DVD. This fast bit is faster than the PS3s BD drive, so 360 developers can use that to their advantage during loading. There are other ways around it but an install is usually the easiest option so thats what a lot of devs go for.
The PS3 has a 2× BD at or 9MB/s (72Mb/s) Constant Linear Velocity.
DVDs use Constant Angular Velocity and therefore do not have a constant read speed. They read faster the further from the middle the data is. They also read dual layer discs slower than single player ones. The drives used in the 360 are 12x for single player DVD-5 and 8x for dual layer DVD-9. Most 360 games are on DVD-9.
12x read speed max 15.85MB/s, average is 8x or 10.57MB/s
8x read speed max 10.57MB/s, average is 6x or 7.93MB/s
As you can see the 360 drive can be slower or faster than the PS3's BD depending on what kind of disc is in use and where on the disc you are reading from. That is going off perfect results, which doesn't happen often.
The end result is that both drives are relatively similar in speed, though the PS3 usually has the edge when in game, but lacks behind on loading. This is because Game discs are mastered, meaning they put the data that is accessed often or is time-critical on the fast bit of the DVD. This fast bit is faster than the PS3s BD drive, so 360 developers can use that to their advantage during loading. There are other ways around it but an install is usually the easiest option so thats what a lot of devs go for.
Yes and no it won't affect the warranty, instructions are in the PS3 manual.
Having to endure a 5-10 minute install each time is worth it just for the fact that the PS3 is so quiet. Maybe if the 360 installed games, it wouldn't need to make so much noise.
Indeed, if it installed some data, it would not need to access the DVD drive so much (or so fast) during the game, hence cutting out the bulk of the noise.
Still, it is annoying that installs are becoming standard on a lot of PS3 games when good games have been produced without the need for installs. My own HDD has been upgraded, but as someone said 40gb users will end up doing a lot of "micro management" of their game data, over time.
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Same here - although I keep hearing the rumours that I should wait for the 80GB version....
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^^^^ this.
when i bought my ps3, i didnt even buy it for games at the time. i dont regret it at all and i dread the day my 60gb goes bang. sooner rather than later because id rather get a replacement that can handle sacd if i can help it. if not then they are buying me an sacd player.
Good points, I think read speeds are helped with Blu-Ray aswell as essentially the disc doesn't need to be spun as much in order to retract the same amount of data essentially there is more data on the same size disc.