Would you say the same thing if they raised it to 30?
Cut-price supermarket booze to be banned to stamp out binge drinking
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Would you say the same thing if they raised it to 30?
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The British Governments only "solution" to any problem seems to be generating taxes or fining the majority of the population for a symptom of a larger problem caused by a minority.
Never addressing the cause of a problem, always taking the easy road and creating financial solutions to cultural and social issues.
The British Governments only "solution" to any problem seems to be generating taxes or fining the majority of the population for a symptom of a larger problem caused by a minority.
Never addressing the cause of a problem, always taking the easy road and creating financial solutions to cultural and social issues.
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I'm aware this is somewhat semantical but companies exist to make profit for shareholders, that is in the definition generally - it is certainly there for legal purposes anyway.
That is fine; what isn't fine is them making out they want to raise prices in order to save our society but the government is stopping them
But yes, I also agree it is somewhat hypocritical to portray themselves as moral guardians when they haven't actually taken a stand, they've effectively said in a whining voice "but we want the Government to do it, we can't take that stance on our own". They do have something of a point though in that if they agreed between themselves and competitors (either explicitly or tacitly) to only sell alcohol at a set price then they'd fall foul of the regulations on cartels and price fixing so to an extent they are right, they do need Government intervention to legitimise this issue.
I think the whole thing is a poor idea and smacks of trying to deny young people things that were acceptable when the people in power were young.
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Thats quite correct, i believe a large number of teens only do it to impress their friends, and because there "not sopposed to" be drinking at that age.
Buying Fosters is ridiculous to begin with
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Yep, they run around trying to patch the holes up in the sinking ship but never stop to ask how they appeared in the first place.
Why do people go out and get drunk?
Well, what else is there to do??
NOTHING, health and safety has shut down anything that resembles fun. Those things which you can do, cost an absolute fortune, as they have been sold off to some foreigner who is wanting to make money.
Well, what else is there to do??
NOTHING, health and safety has shut down anything that resembles fun. Those things which you can do, cost an absolute fortune, as they have been sold off to some foreigner who is wanting to make money.
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This is not really a conversation related to this thread, but of course they are overlords. They govern what you are and are not alllowed to do. Alcohol costs more money in healthcare and damages than any other substance, legal or otherwise, and yet remains perfectly legal. Marijuana, on the other hand, has a tiny pecentage of the associated costs and effects on health, but consuming it is an arrestable offence.
This indicates one rule for one drug, and one for another. Why is alcohol acceptable, even though it destroys lives, causes addictions and costs me, the tax payer, a god-damned fortune every year? Because it's taxed. It's taxed, and it is "controlled".
The governing body has the power to cut off supplies of one substance (this is not a discussion about smuggling), but allows another entry into the population to keep the mob happy* and under control. If that's not an overlord, i dont know what is.
*And this is a valid point. If alcohol was banned, imagine the uproar. Imagine what would happen to this country if they banned alcohol. It would be chaos! Alcohol is to the UK what Guns are to the US. It's a part of our society. The fat, football hooligan binge drinker defines us as a people. Everyone is acting like a price increase is like taking away their God given right to have what they deserve. Like they're owed it or something.
Alcohol is a luxury. Luxuries come at a price. I honestly don't see why a price inscrease is a problem.
Does this Government never stop taking away our freedom of choices?
It's becoming rather tedious..I thought Tony Blair was an *** but GB is certainly taking the biscuit for being the biggest ***** to have been given role of PM.
It's gonna be a long 2 years & by then we'll be well and truly ****
Will the last person out please turn off the lights!!!!
It's becoming rather tedious..I thought Tony Blair was an *** but GB is certainly taking the biscuit for being the biggest ***** to have been given role of PM.
It's gonna be a long 2 years & by then we'll be well and truly ****
Will the last person out please turn off the lights!!!!
Of course they have.
You know, I was in Edinburgh the other weekend, and there are literally only 2 things to do there. Binge drink or sleep. Nothing else. Remarkable eh? I mean, there were restaurants, cinemas, shops, art galleries, museums, castles, tours, theatres, cafes and the like, but they were all run by foreigners, so I just bought a bottle of vodka and drank until I threw up and passed out.
You've highlighted WHY this country has a problem - you view "the only thing to do" as binge drinking.
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Personally, I think raising the minimum age from 18 to 21 is a bad idea primarily because student life would be adversely affected. Being a student and alcohol are inherently intertwined.
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Aye, don't worry about the short & long term health / social problems that alcohol causes in this country, worry about the poor students who couldn't get drunk!
I do agree that raising it isn't the issue - a cultural shift is required. I don't know how that will happen though.
As it should be. American have problems with other drugs for their alcohol 21 limit, then more people get drunk because when they reach 21 there bodys are suddenly taking in large amounts of alcohol. Personally I think its because of the image alcohol = cool, but thats only enforced because its banned to begin with. If kids could get drunk legally if they want to, sure they would be smashed for the first few months but after that it would become boring and the norm so they would stop. But this government always thinks banning things is the solution.
Why just not ID everyone whether 18 or 80?
I personally dont see any of that as fun. Yes it may be interesting if your on holiday (Cinema, or theatres are differant though).
I would rarely binge, i spend my times out mountain biking or cycling. But where i live, mountain biking isnt encouraged, in fact its frowned upon, and technically when we go into forests, we are breaking the law.
However, we could walk about the forests drinking our livers away, and nobody would batter an eyelid.
Close to where i live i recently was building jumps in a small foresty area. I had members of the council threatining legal action for me being there/building jumps. The local kids who where watching this with their drink, and cigs thought it was hillarious. (Note: they had an issue with a 22yr old riding a bike, but none with 13/14 year old smoking/drinking)
But kids in Britain drink from the age of about 14, and keep doing so throughout their entire lives, disproving your point.
That’s because it is a miniscule percentage compared to alcohol. It damages different parts of your body like your lungs, throat and mouth. And to do that requires excessive amounts, Alcohol or Marijuana / Tobacco.
Alcohol destroys lives? No the people intoxicated by alcohol who willing take it to the excess and then do thing they shouldn't, destroy lives. But still a minority. Obesity causes issues on the NHS like smoking, also not handling dangerous equipment also costs lots. Life’s dangerous; life’s also for living you cannot ban cars because people get killed on the road.
Because why should the government and business increase revenue two fold because of the minority of people who don't know how to drink responsibly and then control their actions afterwards?
Yes alchol is a luxury, thats why we pay VAT and Duty on it, people have come to accept that.
Not really, its taboo and they start young and keep doing it. Kids in europe dont do it.
Kids should never 'get drunk' even under adult supervision. The idea isn't lowering the purchase age below 18 but allowing children to have a glass of red or white with a meal with parents casually, or even the son to share a pint with there dad on a hot sunny afternoon.