Modern driving game that's not atrocious?

UKTopGun said:
I dont see why sim games are 'anal' though... Just because you cant go full throttle round every hairpin. I find sim games much more enjoyable because theyre far more rewardable and you have to learn everything and once conquered provide some of the best experiences (online this is, AI driving games suck). Of course my opinion is in the minority overall as otherwise there would be a much bigger demand for these types of games.
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Sim games are anal if you want to sit down for 5 minutes at a time and race to your heart's content. I don't want to spend hours learning to drive like Damon Hill when I could just as easily pick up GRID and have fun in five seconds.
 
Killerkebab said:
Sim games are anal if you want to sit down for 5 minutes at a time and race to your heart's content. I don't want to spend hours learning to drive like Damon Hill when I could just as easily pick up GRID and have fun in five seconds.
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So if you are superficial and have a limited attention span, any game that requires some type of mastery of basic skills/craft before it ultimately becomes enjoyable is 'anal'?
Also GRiD is fun for about a total of 5 seconds.
 
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I hope this Race07 addon works with the Steam version of the game, so far I can't even add tracks to the bugger. Fun game though, as I said above the AI are great racers.

Someone mentioned Nas2003, that's son of GPL, and Father or iracing, but it's still mainly about getting trucks to go in circles[1].

There is still little in the gaming world to compare with trying to thread an Eagle Weslake into the Curva Grande at 195mph. If it makes me anal that I would not be happier taking the same corner with my foot tramped down on the throttle, winching the wheel around with one hand, and talking to someone, or looking for something in a drawer at the same time....then stick a lump of coal up me a*se and wait for your diamonds ;)
I adore watching motor racing, and have since i was a kid. There is a marvellous synergy between watching and racing on games, real racing teaches me how to play the games, and the games increase my appreciation of the skills. Is it any wonder people think racers are untalented and overpaid if they think race cars act like they do in Grid or GT.

Oh, and to the silly sod who said "I'll jump in my car instead".....you have an mp4-22 in your garage? an Audi R8 LMP1 in the carport? A BTCC Renault in the driveway? Do you live at the Nordschleife, La Sarthe, Watkins Glen, Rouen Essarts,Silverstone? Do you really think that hauling one of those cars round one of those circuits equates to nipping down to somerfields in a front wheel drive shopping car with 70bhp?

Although I can drive an actual car, I never got a license.....I'm TERRIFIED of the road!! LOL
Do go karting now and then, but I weight 15+stone (though I don't look anything like that flabby), so I tend to get left for dead on the grid.

BTW, in terms of rfacor mods, I've got (from memory).......
F155
GP79
F188
Brabham stupid car (ie the 1600bhp motherf!)
FS1
MMG-f1-07
Beetle Racing
One of the LMP addons (has only LMP R8's LMP Bentley and LMP Lola).
Mx5 Cup (GF's Bro has an Mx5, so got it to compare...except his is Brit Racing Green...mmmmmmmmmmmm)
F3 Euro
GP2 (one of the best engine sounds in any game).



I probably missed a couple, but sing out if you see glaring omissions

I very much appreciate all your input, even the deluded arcade heroes, I'm only teasing, I like a good arcade thrash now and then too, I just prefer having to think "oh balls, Eau Rouge again, close your eyes, take a firm grip of your seat between your cheeks and pray to the gods of racing", instead of "I wonder if I can nail all six of those guys in front before I top out at Radillion".
I've learned of high res textures for LFS and an upcoming Race07 mod for starters.
BTW. the Hi Res addon didn't seem to DO anything, I think I'll have to RTFM.

Oh and the final insult from Grid was La Sarthe. What is going on there, it's a pure fantasy track. Actually the version of La Sarthe the drivers use to get their eye in, is the one on GT4 on PS2....which I must say, is absolutely amazing in terms of accuracy....their Nordschleife's bloody good too.


[1]I find Nascar intensely dull to watch in between the accidents (which they do SO well), but driving it is kinda odd, you get into this zen like state of mind "and left, and floor it, and left and floor it".
 
Killerkebab said:
Sim games are anal if you want to sit down for 5 minutes at a time and race to your heart's content. I don't want to spend hours learning to drive like Damon Hill when I could just as easily pick up GRID and have fun in five seconds.
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I can quite easily have fun in five seconds with a sim too...

Play GPL for a little while, and any sim game is easy (not necessarily easy to be fast). Now like me you get the best of both worlds, sim and arcade :D
 
NightSt@lk3r said:
Although im quitting simracing, the community, especially RSC is just a moaning load of old hypocrites.
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The only section at RSC that I visit these days is the GPL one. No hypocrites in there :)

the goonden said:
Someone mentioned Nas2003, that's son of GPL, and Father or iracing, but it's still mainly about getting trucks to go in circles[1].

[1]I find Nascar intensely dull to watch in between the accidents (which they do SO well), but driving it is kinda odd, you get into this zen like state of mind "and left, and floor it, and left and floor it".
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So drive on a road course if you don't like ovals. Two of them came with the sim - the Glen and Sears Point (or Infineon for those who refuse to call it by its proper name). And there are plenty more out there.

As for driving an oval - you honestly think that driving at Bristol is the same as driving at Talladega or Pocono or Atlanta or Darlington.....? :)
 
kdd said:
So if you are superficial and have a limited attention span, any game that requires some type of mastery of basic skills/craft before it ultimately becomes enjoyable is 'anal'?
Also GRiD is fun for about a total of 5 seconds.
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The key word here is 'requires'. No game should ever require 'mastery', as you put it.

UKTopGun said:
I can quite easily have fun in five seconds with a sim too...
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Good on you. So many games I wanted to have fun in but couldn't because ultimately, the game expects me to be good to enjoy it such as Lock On and Supreme Commander. Technically genius games that fail to entice a part time average guy like me :(
 
JRS said:
The only section at RSC that I visit these days is the GPL one. No hypocrites in there :)



So drive on a road course if you don't like ovals. Two of them came with the sim - the Glen and Sears Point (or Infineon for those who refuse to call it by its proper name). And there are plenty more out there.

As for driving an oval - you honestly think that driving at Bristol is the same as driving at Talladega or Pocono or Atlanta or Darlington.....? :)
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Well I did say it was crap to watch but fun to drive.
I know about all the road courses, but I've got GPL, and it's the same engine, and lots of the courses are from GPL, and I prefer F1 cars to Nazzers.
Nazzers round Monaco, the Nordschleife, the IoM TT course, or my own backyard at Dundrod....now THAT would be a challenge.


And someone else uttered totaly wisdom above.
"learn to play GPL, and all other games are wee buns"

I've not raced GPL online in about 3 years, I'm sort of out of touch with how to use GEM++ and Igor, I REALLY have to get back into it.
Many a saturday afternoon was wasted waiting for another Guy Wilson Monza race......Wilson's Monza's were the great events.....you would have NOOBs at the back, and people on Huttu's level at the front, wonderful competition (after the L1 T1 pileup was over naturally). Used to be a guy raced as "Takuma Sato" when Sato was in Brit F3, I asked him once if he was "that guy doing F3" and he said yes, might have been a spoof, but we know JPM and others play GPL (in Montoya's case it's obvious too, go on youtube and look up his "fastsest lap ever" at Monza....he trail brakes through Lesmo 1.....bloody loony. Anyway, I chose to believe it WAS Taku, because it means I overtook a man who overtook Fernando Alonso (in a ruddy awful car too).
 
thegoonden said:
I know about all the road courses, but I've got GPL, and it's the same engine, and lots of the courses are from GPL, and I prefer F1 cars to Nazzers.
Nazzers round Monaco, the Nordschleife, the IoM TT course, or my own backyard at Dundrod....now THAT would be a challenge.
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Dundrod was converted to N2k3 at some point. Think it's in the database I linked to in my other post.

Just so folks know, Monaco '67 and Nordshleife '67 can be converted to N2k3 with Dave Noonan's track convertor along with the rest of the stock road courses in GPL, ICR2 and NASCAR2-99 Edition-3-Legends.

I love taking stock cars around the converted 'ring in N2k3. There's something deeply satisfying about hustling a stock car around there.

thegoonden said:
And someone else uttered totaly wisdom above.
"learn to play GPL, and all other games are wee buns"
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I got GPL when it was released, and it's been kicking my arse ever since :D Current favourite way to spend my GPL time is either the Ferrari 312 in the '66 Mod at Reims, or the Ferrari 1512 in the '65 Mod at Machwerk. Can't decide which of those two I enjoy more.
 
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NightSt@lk3r said:
Since Tim Wheatly left it has been run by Hypocrites, so there is no escaping them on RSC:p
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Whining babies who can't get what they want immediately and modders shamelessly squabbling with each other like spoiled schoolgirls are both far more annoying than any of the staff or any other element at RSC.
 
GTR Evolution should be here in september, same engine as gtr2/race07 i guess but with both their content? and a pro made nordschleife track hurrah :)

yeah grid looks great but the handling is a joke, had fun for a week then un-installed it, could have been so much more :(
 
Robert said:
GRID isn't meant to be an uber realistic simulator, so I think it's a little unfair to treat it as one.

And while we're at it - you should have read the reviews to be quite honest.
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Turn off all the driving aids and its near enough impossible to set off nevermind go around a corner. How realistic do you want it?
 
Edinho said:
Turn off all the driving aids and its near enough impossible to set off nevermind go around a corner.
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I agree, I don't understand how people completely miss this feature, sure it's not realistic after still, but it's a A LOT closer...
 
Edinho said:
Turn off all the driving aids and its near enough impossible to set off nevermind go around a corner. How realistic do you want it?
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You're using a keyboard aren't you?
With my wheel, even with the aids off, it's a total doddle. Although somewhat complicate by the lack of a ****** clutch. :eek:

Usually though, when a game uses keys, it "softens" their impact. GPL doesn't and it is (for me) impossible to even get on the track, never mind race. Although there was some crazy man who could run 32's at monza with keys (LR is about a 26.7 or so, my PB was a 28.8).

The Le Mans model really offended me. It's a wonderful racing experience, but their version is just terrible, as if it was drawn from memory. The Playstation chicane is about 500m too far down the Mulsanne straight, the run from Mulsanne corner to Indianapolis is wider than the Mulsanne straight itself, when it's legendary for being frighteningly narrow. Indianapolis itself is just wrong. The Porsche curves are reasonable, but then the Ford chicanes have been neutered so they can be straighlined[1] try that in the real world or a good driving game and you're in the gravel until some nice Frenchmen drag you out.

[1]They are there, and they are VERY tight for a reason. Search Youtube for "le mans 1955". So bad it was 38 years before Mercedes came back to international racing, and 44 before they returned to Le Mans (when more went wrong for them.....look up Peter Drumbreck Le mans 99).
 
thegoonden said:
Usually though, when a game uses keys, it "softens" their impact.
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The only truly drive-able sim with a keyboard is one made by Geoff Crammond :) F1GP/GP2/GP3/GP3-2000/GP4 were all okay with a keyboard. No other sims seem to manage it quite as well.
 
What do you make of GP4, I never even bothered with it.
GP3 was really dissappointing for me, kinda like "GP2.1" with idiot friendly handling. I went through Eau Rouge, in the peeing wet, foot to the board in 6th, on slicks or inters, on my first flippin lap. That and the weird way the on screen wheel moved relative to my real world wheel, well it kinda slapped me in the face a bit because I'd been BURSTING about the game for years (like most GP2 players).
 
I really like GP4. GP3 I never got on with all that much compared with the others in Geoff's series - not only was it a serious disappointment after GPL had shown the world what realism was, you could tell it was just GP2 in a party frock. And not even a desperately sexy party frock at that.

GP4 doesn't have the ~25FPS cap, doesn't have the plethora of 2D sprites cutting in at distance, and has pretty reasonable physics out of the box (made even better subesquently once editors came out). Some decent season mods exist as well - when I had it installed, I had the 1991 and 2004 seasons to race in.
 
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