6 month ban and £275 fine for woman who killed a motorcyclist

IT's negligent driving. In the army for example you'd get an ND (negligent discharge) these have killed people in the past. Or at work, gross misconduct can lead to injury/death in certain industries.

Negligence is a crime as far as I'm concerned - you're in charge of a vehicle that is potentially a very very dangerous weapon - unless it's used properly it's in my eyes, whether it be the laws I frankly don't care, is pure and simple as serious as running someone over on purpose.
 
No it couldn't have "happened to anyone". Any decent educated driver would know that driving a car/bike/vehicle is a serious business and being lackadaisical with it will kill - end of. You don't get in your car and just drive willy nilly - driving/riding on the road is a MASSIVE responsibility that people often forget. Don't be so naive. Killing someone isn't just "an accident" in this case - it was gross negligence.


When driving in my car there's been occasion when my sat nav has fallen of the screen and onto the passenger seat, i just reach over and stick it back on, i do obviously have to take my eyes of the road for a couple of secs to do this.

I'm pretty sure we have all gone to get something in the glove compartment or fumbled around with the radio at some point while driving, people are not robots and will make mistakes the only issue is was it a honest mistake or was there willful carelessness
 
When driving in my car there's been occasion when my sat nav has fallen of the screen and onto the passenger seat, i just reach over and stick it back on, i do obviously have to take my eyes of the road for a couple of secs to do this.

I'm pretty sure we have all gone to get something in the glove compartment or fumbled around with the radio at some point while driving, people are not robots and will make mistakes the only issue is was it a honest mistake or was there willful carelessness

Well frankly they deserve all the punishment they get. I have no sympathy I'm afraid. IT's just too easy to kill someone in a car. People need to learn to take responsibility. Don't be so ignorant.
 
So, two questions to those who are defending the sentance.

1 - Do you honestly believe that a 6 month driving ban and a small fine is a sufficient punishment for what she has done and the concequences of her actions?
2 - Do you belive that the punishment is harsh enough to prevent her and others doing this again?

And don't mince your words, just a simple yes or no.

If so, I hope to never, EVER meet you on the roads.
 
1. No
2. No (nothing will stop people from reaching for things in their cars)

I suggest you avoid junction 7 of the M4 then Rilot. ;)
 
1. No
2. No (nothing will stop people from reaching for things in their cars)

I suggest you avoid junction 7 of the M4 then Rilot. ;)

Good answers. The punishment wasn't harsh enough and it isn't a sufficient deterrant.

Great. No need for me to avoid you then.
 
Sorry? :confused: (I thought personal insults weren't allowed here)

Running someone over on purpose is murder.

Your comment was stupid you purposely misconstrued my comment. It's clear I was making a comparison to what I felt the equivalence of the incident would be akin to. i.e. almost as deliberately running someone over.

Don't worry I know the rules ;)

So, two questions to those who are defending the sentance.

1 - Do you honestly believe that a 6 month driving ban and a small fine is a sufficient punishment for what she has done and the concequences of her actions?
2 - Do you belive that the punishment is harsh enough to prevent her and others doing this again?

And don't mince your words, just a simple yes or no.

If so, I hope to never, EVER meet you on the roads.

Ditto. Frankly if I do, and they DON'T kill me I just hope they can run faster than me! :D
 
Just a small point.
People should be forced to do a MINIMUM of 1 year on 2 wheels before being allowed to drive a car. You learn respect for the lethal weapon a car can be and what it can do to others.
 
Just a small point.
People should be forced to do a MINIMUM of 1 year on 2 wheels before being allowed to drive a car. You learn respect for the lethal weapon a car can be and what it can do to others.

Now thats a great idea. :)
 
Just a small point.
People should be forced to do a MINIMUM of 1 year on 2 wheels before being allowed to drive a car. You learn respect for the lethal weapon a car can be and what it can do to others.

I've been saying this for many many years. I couldn't agree more.
 
Now whilst it is tragic that the rider died but replace his bike with a car.

Now the story reads- Woman hits car whilst reaching for a tissue, no one seriously injured. Now does it seem such a weak punishment? No, now it seems to be much more fitting to the act, yet her actions were EXACTLY the same.

I can understand why it hits home that much harder to the bikers on here as I'm sure you have all been in near miss situations that could have ended up in a nasty accident for yourselves but its the act that is being punished, not the end result.
 
Your comment was stupid you purposely misconstrued my comment.

No, seriously I didn't. What part of her accident being "as serious as running someone over on purpose." have I misunderstood? Is it not as serious as that then?

I'm guessing there must be some kind of communications breakdown here because I can't see what else that sentence could possibly mean.
 
I wonder what she would have got if she had mounted a pavement and killed a pedestrian. Would have been completely different I would have guessed. I agree with Freefaller too many people drive and have not one clue as to the misery it can cause, to them driving a car is like sitting on the sofa at home watching tele.
 
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So, two questions to those who are defending the sentance.

1 - Do you honestly believe that a 6 month driving ban and a small fine is a sufficient punishment for what she has done and the concequences of her actions?
2 - Do you belive that the punishment is harsh enough to prevent her and others doing this again?



First of all I should point out that I'm not defending her sentence, I'm explaining it - as are most of the people standing in front of the usual OcUK lynch mob. The difference is important.

1) This is actually two questions, not one. Is the sentence correct for the crime committed? The crime was DWDCaA, so yes, it was actually pretty severe. As English law stands, with some exceptions (principally murder and manslaughter) the person is punished for the offence they commit, not what may follow from it. A favourite example of mine: you throw a sweet wrapper on the ground. An old lady slips on it, falls over and fractures her skull and dies. You are guilty of littering and that is all. Do you seriously think a person should be charged with (say) manslaughter under those circumstances? Because that's very close to what many people here are suggesting.

The answer to the second part of that question (does the punishment reflect the result of the crime) simply doesn't matter in this case. If the charge was Dangerous Driving then that would be different as there is a specific charge of Causing Death by Dangerous Driving. But all the woman was convicted of was Due Care and Attention. This is the law. And the day you take your eyes off the road for a second to change radio channels (and you will - for that or something similar - because no-one drives with 100% attention) and hit something you will thank the law for being far more sensible than the many of the people here. The law recognises the difference between lapse and intent, and rightly considers it important. This woman had a momentary lapse. But unlike all those times where the various posters here have done the same, in her case it killed someone.

2) No, and no punishment will, because people don't think before doing such things. This case will be completely forgotten by all except relatives in a month, and would be even if she got twenty years.


And now a history lesson. Once upon a time (the 1940s and 50s) the standard charge for killing someone while behind the wheel was manslaughter. But a special crime of Causing Death by Dangerous Driving (along with by Drink Driving, and later Drugged Driving) had to be brought in. Anyone care to guess why?


Because juries almost never convicted for manslaughter. We don't know why because it's illegal to talk to a jury about their verdict, but it seems to be because most such cases are due to (as above) momentary lapses, not serious persistent stupidity. All but the smuggest jurors probably felt "There but for the Grace of God..." and acquitted.


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I don't think anyone is disputing that the sentace is correct within the law for the offence for which she was charged.
People are complaining that the punishment doesn't fit the severity of the concequences of her crime.

And thats the crux of the matter isn't it? The law punishes people for their behaviour, not the consequences.

This is from the CPSs own guidance on how to decide whether to prosecute someone for causing death by dangerous driving:

"CPS guidelines stress that it is someone’s behaviour that should be the deciding factor for prosecutors rather than the consequences of their behaviour"
 
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