neither, that isn't what sin is.
Poll: Who believes in God?
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neither, that isn't what sin is.
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This could be one way of taking it. However, surely doing all this wouldn't we, the converted-atheists who've been chosen to put God's words onto paper and, ironically, arguing in the name of science (thus theoretically disregarding "God"), actually be testifying to his existence?
It seems in order for this plan to work I need to identify some kind of harmonious relationship between religion and science, whereby "God" can exist but science is ultimately correct and religion is incorrect.
Anybody with me?
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Sorry I'm talking about the "effect on people", what causes the effect.
How would you classify Sin, can you give a couple of examples of something you consider a Sin
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i believe and trust in god, i do not believe in religion.
I didn't say "a" sin, just an essence of sin, like an essence evil.
Sin is a cause of the "effect on people". Almost like an air of negativity.
no that is not what i meant at all.
So if I murder somebody I may "have an air of negativity", doesn't sound too bad
No, I meant the "air of negativity" is all around. Very ambiguous I know.
It's OK I'm gettting pretty used to it.
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It seems in order for this plan to work I need to identify some kind of harmonious relationship between religion and science, whereby "God" can exist but science is ultimately correct and religion is incorrect.
Anybody with me?
Well, you can count me out
I value my religious persuasions much more highly than any potential faith in the scientific method to provide truth. But I don't see any incompatibility between science and religious belief, which is perhaps where you and I differ.
What religion though, certain religions say the earth is only a few thousands years old where science thinks it about 4.5 billion, isn't that an incompatibility?
I am trying to be ambiguous because I don't actually know the exact truth. Just have a rough kind of idea.No religion as a single collective beleives that. The Bible certainly doesn't say that.
I don't think any of us can claim to have all the answers
So it's this air of negativity that causes bad things to happen?
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Depends entirely on interpretation. If you take the Bible to be a metaphorical account then it's perfectly compatible. In fact, interpreting the Bible completely literally doesn't really work at all because it's self-contradictory.
I was speaking of religious belief in general. The premise that not everything can be predicted by mathematical models, or indeed needs to be.
I'd consider myself a very scientifically minded guy. I study a scientific degree, I'm fascinated by maths and various branches of science and I employ scientific principles in my work to get things done. But none of this conflicts with what I believe about human nature, sin, free will and various other philosophical/religious concepts. All of these beliefs are outside of the realm of science and I'd expect you'd consider me quite insane for believing what I do.
I don't think any of us can claim to have all the answers
So it's this air of negativity that causes bad things to happen?
Well that's one of many "causes" yes, I'd say more an "influence" though perhaps.
Again this is another "real problem" I have with many religions, if it's not considered fact and "the word of God" then it's open to interpretation, interpretation by man!
At that point it just loses any credibility.