Conspiracy Files: The Third Tower

[fraps]

I think we can safely say there is DOUBT here and that is what I think

the US have done a plenty a wrong openly and they should be held to account

 

[Glaucus]

I think we can safely say there is DOUBT here and that is what I think

But doubt in which parts. Doubt in certain areas is ok, doubt on thinks like missiles and controlled demolition is not as *** proof is overwhelming.

 

[TriedandTested]

Tried&Tested has no intelligence on this matter.

Little digs like this do nothing but make you look like you're running out of ways to get your point across. You put across your ideas and yet try to belittle mine? Not sure how that works exactly but you've done it before so I'm not at all surprised.

You're snide remarks actually say more about than whoever they happened to be aimed at.

 

[badbob]

because Israel is the US

oh dear showing your ignorence. Because Israel has ties with US, the extremist muslims view both as enemies.

Did I need to spell that out for you?

If a arms dealer was supplying my enemy with weapons, I'd kill the arms dealer, and any allies of my enemy.

If I can think of that, so can a panel of experts in each field.

 

[mr.sly]

Little digs like this do nothing but make you look like you're running out of ways to get your point across. You put across your ideas and yet try to belittle mine? Not sure how that works exactly but you've done it before so I'm not at all surprised.

You're snide remarks actually say more about than whoever they happened to be aimed at.

I think the pages of logic, fact and links to credible sources say more about him than one snide remark.

 

[mr.sly]

oh dear showing your ignorence. Because Israel has ties with US, the extremist muslims view both as enemies.

Did I need to spell that out for you?

If a arms dealer was supplying my enemy with weapons, I'd kill the arms dealer, and any allies of my enemy.

If I can think of that, so can a panel of experts in each field.

Draw us a picture instead.

 

[TriedandTested]

In passenger planes?

Do you honestly think that huge US government divisions, with huge numbers of employees and huge budgets who are SPECIFICALLY tasked to imagine scenarios in which the US is attacked wouldn't have thought of commercial flights being hijacked!?

 

[Glaucus]

oh dear showing your ignorence. Because Israel has ties with US, the extremist muslims view both as enemies.

Did I need to spell that out for you?

If a arms dealer was supplying my enemy with weapons, I'd kill the arms dealer, and any allies of my enemy.

If I can think of that, so can a panel of experts in each field.

separated by thousands of miles, different security systems, different culture.
No you to take a long look at yourself and ask why you believe an internet movie made by foul mouthed teenagers, who have no qualification, provide no evidence and ontop of that interview people with irrelevant qualification and pass them of to be experts in the correct fields.

 

[TriedandTested]

I think the pages of logic, fact and links to credible sources say more about him than one snide remark.

Really? Then why not use these credible sources to convince me instead of using snide remarks? Surely that would put him in a better light?

 

[mr.sly]

Do you honestly think that huge US government divisions, with huge numbers of employees and huge budgets who are SPECIFICALLY tasked to imagine scenarios in which the US is attacked wouldn't have thought of commercial flights being hijacked!?

Commercial flights have been hijacked before 9/11 (edit) and never used as missiles.

 

[TriedandTested]

Commercial flights have been hijacked before 9/11 (edit) and never used as missiles.

There we go.

Edit: as you edited your post. Doesn't make any difference. It's called imagination. It's called creative thinking in order to protect their country. They invest a lot of money in this. They knew how to react.

The think of a scenario and then think of ways to react if it ever happened. Hijacked planes is hardly out there in terms of possibilities is it.

 

[Glaucus]

Really? Then why not use these credible sources to convince me instead of using snide remarks? Surely that would put him in a better light?

Perhaps because you refuse to read any link. Or perhaps you read them then dodge anything about them as you have no come back.

 

[mr.sly]

There we go.

What? So you expected them to shoot the plane down as soon as it was hijacked? And AcidHell2 has said already, procedure wasn't followed. No one before 9/11 could have imagined what was about to take place.

If you've got some serious evidence please post the links or show us where we can obtain the information please.

 

[TriedandTested]

What? So you expected them to shoot the plane down as soon as it was hijacked? And AcidHell2 has said already, procedure wasn't followed. No one before 9/11 could have imagined what was about to take place.

If you've got some serious evidence please post the links or show us where we can obtain the information please.

Not at all, but what you should expect is that they get some planes up there to escort them back to land. That's why they scramble jets during hijackings...to escort them and then shoot them down if they don't comply.

Example of this tactic: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3280893.stm

 

[mr.sly]

Not at all, but what you should expect is that they get some planes up there to escort them back to land. That's why they scramble jets during hijackings...to escort them and then shoot them down if they don't comply.

This is a quick reply, so I'll have to go and check to be 100%. But I'm sure fighter jet were scrambled.

 

[badbob]

separated by thousands of miles, different security systems, different culture.
No you to take a long look at yourself and ask why you believe an internet movie made by foul mouthed teenagers, who have no qualification, provide no evidence and ontop of that interview people with irrelevant qualification and pass them of to be experts in the correct fields.

What has distance culture and security systems got to do with it? The enemy is over there, you go get him.

and for FFS I am not talking about loose blooming change or other CT theory, I'm taling about protocols the US will have in place. You can probably gurantee for any situation they have protocols. For things like "alien invasion" probably still have something although not exercised in it, but with the current situation in the ME, suicide attacks, Israel-US connections, Muslim feeling towards the US, spate of Muslim hi jackings it won't need many agencies to think of a cunning plan.

I cannot proove the CIA have documents on inter terrorist incersion protocols. Therefore they don't have it.

UNBELIEVABLE.

 

[mr.sly]

There we go.

Edit: as you edited your post. Doesn't make any difference. It's called imagination. It's called creative thinking in order to protect their country. They invest a lot of money in this. They knew how to react.

The think of a scenario and then think of ways to react if it ever happened. Hijacked planes is hardly out there in terms of possibilities is it.

Just saw you edited your post. You could dream up any situation ever. Do you want the world to live in a bubble, tracked 24/7 with someone watching your every move?

I'm not sure what you expected the US to do really with the intel they had before 9/11.

 

[TriedandTested]

This is a quick reply, so I'll have to go and check to be 100%. But I'm sure fighter jet were scrambled.

Of course. But then if they were scrambled then how did the planes reach their destination.

What you'll probably find is that jets were scrambled to late and from too far to make any difference to the plane's path/target.

 

[Glaucus]

On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked — the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.

Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them.

 

[manveruppd]

I think all the conspiracy theorists in this thread are only here to publicize their credentials as paranoid nutters so they can get jobs as security analysts at the Pentagon: "I would have certainly have conceived the possibility of a terrorist using a hijacked plane as a weapon! And here is the emergency response procedure I would have followed..."

Then they would have produced a second dossier saying "...and here is the emergency response procedure I would have followed if the US government had secretly planted demolition charges in every skyscraper in Manhattan and orchestrated for someone to fly a plane into them to look like it was terrorists..."

PS. Informative post AcidHell2 - sauce?
Someone should get Scuzi in here to give people an idea of what happens when a plane stops responding to radio and how many things can go wrong trying to track it down.