Jobless to work 'clearing litter' !!!

[C64]

I've done everything mate, I've even worked a year cleaning toilets once many moons ago and I was proud to do it, I don't care what people think of me, when I got my pay check at the end of the month it felt so good, not just because of the money, but because I felt at least I was making a small contribution, at least I was paying my own way, when I was young and out of work I don't think there was ever a time that I would be out of work for more than a couple of days, I used to apply for every job that was available to me, I didn't care whether I was qualified for the job or not, if that didn't net me a job then I would start personally going around to all the supermarkets, shops, hotels etc and ask for work, if they told me that I had to apply via the job centre I would ask to speak to the manager and introduce myself, persistence never fails.




It's not about lying, you have a passion to change and improve your life don't you ?, then you have to feel passionate about getting the job not what your actually doing in the job, you just bend the direction of the passion a little.



excuses excuses, I've never been to an area yet where it was impossible to get a job and I've lived in some bad areas, just go crazy, go everywhere, be persistent, bug everyone, if they tell you to fill out a form or go to the job centre tell them you want to speak to someone in charge, tackle it head on, be positive.

Things are very different now try surviving and even paying rent and 1 bill a week on minimum wage ? okay for people up north rent is far far cheaper.Only way you could do it is to house / flat share but not everyone can do that or can find somewhere.

Why doesn't the government offer firms paying minimum wage an extra £1 or £2 an hour to their employee that will get a lot of people working and will be cheaper than paying their benefits plus they will make more back in tax.
There's always a constant supply of minimum wage jobs make them £7 an hour and they will become far more viable.

 

[vincent1989]

I really hope one day when you're out of your teens, you realize what an absolute plank you're being.

have you actually READ any of the posts previously? i don't like people who want something for nothing, who want everyone else to work hard, in dead end jobs so they don't have to, if you think this is ok then i have absolutely no qualms saying you are a plank as well

(did you even see the part where badbob insulted me for being a shelf stacker, yet has no problem stealing my taxes because being a shelf stacker is beneath him?)

i like the way i get personally insulted for working hard the entire time i've been able to work, by people who think it's acceptable to do **** all, ******* lazy scum

 

[badbob]

Iv been on the dole for along time now on and off, iv never worked (not on JSA right now), applied for lots of jobs only ever got 1 reply back, which was a no, even started including SAEs but still no replies... It is so frigging annoying when after you have spent time to send out an application form you get nothing back, not even a simple "no thanks". Hell one interview i got through the job centre you had to do 2 tests, i didnt even get to do those tests, so after a few mins of talking with the interviewer he said that he thought i was being forced into applying for the job so he wasn't going to give me a chance, which was complete ***** as it was me that asked the job centre for the application form for the job, but he couldn't get that through his head, anyways, there were people there at that interview that just about speak a few words of English they to never did the tests, they just got given the jobs, makes you feel great does that...

My experiences exactly. But I have GCSE's, and various certifications. At least tried to get on the ladder but didn't. So why should I accept toilet cleaner.

I'd rather be unemployed than go back to the supermarket, it was that miserable. Every now and then a supervisor or manager made your life there living hell. Also it's hardly a career, it's not what I wanted to do. Perhaps maybe if I have no skills, qualifications and a bit thick. If you're a full timer you are unable to plan interviews.

When I do look for jobs that are suitable, they're either miles away, require transport, or require someone with vast amounts of experience. No trainees or anything.

And when I do a wide search from various jobs- retail, warehouse, labour, it found 3 jobs. 3. And one was too far.

 

[Van Hellseek]

have you actually READ any of the posts previously? i don't like people who want something for nothing, who want everyone else to work hard, in dead end jobs so they don't have to, if you think this is ok then i have absolutely no qualms saying you are a plank as well

(did you even see the part where badbob insulted me for being a shelf stacker, yet has no problem stealing my taxes because being a shelf stacker is beneath him?)

i like the way i get personally insulted for working hard the entire time i've been able to work, by people who think it's acceptable to do **** all, ******* lazy scum

Yes, I know he insulted you, but that is no excuse for such generalizations. I agree people who live on benefit (without trying to look for work) are scum. But you make it sound like everyone who claims it is scum. There are plenty of people who simply need help during a rough patch, and that's what it's there for.

 

[badbob]

who want everyone else to work hard, in dead end jobs so they don't have to, if you think this is ok then i have absolutely no qualms saying you are a plank as well

Why should I care others are in rubbish jobs? The actual amount of money from your income that goes to jsa is pratically nothing. When I was working I didn't moan that chavs got some of my money, there's nothing you can do about it, and even if they stopped it the goverment would just squander it on something else. I'd rather have my money go into people's stomachs for food and living costs, then blowing another £1 trillion in the millenium dome. If people don't get any income support at all, and still can't get a job what do they expect to do?

I was a shelf stacker, rubbish job, crap pay, idiot managers/supervisors, no chance of progression unless you brown nose, wide range of hours so no social life. Basically it's ok for a teenager amd part timer, but not for a career or those with half a brain/skills. Also call you out of the blue, and expect you to turn up, and when you can't (I had another job at the time) they held it against me for ages. Even though I did many many shifts when someone else was sick. A few times I worked from 5am to 11pm at night. And they still treated me like crap. Also expected me to break the law and making myself liable, with managers forcing me to food that was out of cold storage all night onto shop floor which I refused to do.

Also agree with previous poster about wage, minimum wage is fine for a kid at home, but not if you're paying for everything.

 

[Things change I've changed]

And you lot have audacity to put dolies down because you're employed. That is pretty pathetic also.

I've not called others "scum" yet you think it's acceptable?

I'm not calling everyone jobless scum, that's ridiculous, read my post again, if you fore-fill that criteria then.........

don't get me wrong, I don't think it's wrong collecting (NI Based) JSA for a month or so looking for better work but to stay on it indefinitely until you find work that you consider not being below you is wrong, very wrong, people like that are scum in my eyes.

My experiences exactly. But I have GCSE's, and various certifications. At least tried to get on the ladder but didn't. So why should I accept toilet cleaner.

I'd rather be unemployed than go back to the supermarket, it was that miserable. Every now and then a supervisor or manager made your life there living hell. Also it's hardly a career, it's not what I wanted to do. Perhaps maybe if I have no skills, qualifications and a bit thick. If you're a full timer you are unable to plan interviews.

Unbelievable, of course you should accept the crap job if that is the only viable option atm, how long are you prepared to stay on the dole until you find a job that you consider 'not beneath you' ?

I left college with certificates coming out my ears, I lived at my mums rent free for a few months trying to look for what I deemed suitable work, that failed, I wasn't prepared for my mum to pay my way all my life and I felt I should contribute so I took a crap job in a meat factory, I was working for £2 an hour, below minimum wage, long hours, real heavy duty work, but my god it felt good when I got paid and gave my mum money towards my keep, I knew it wasn't going to be easy but then life isn't always easy, sometimes you have to graft, it's just part to the process of paying your way and taking small towards your ultimate goal, I wouldn't in trade my grafting experiences for the world, the I've meet some amazing people through some of my early jobs, people that are still dear to me today.

 

[cleanbluesky]

There seems to be a lot of focus on a choice between two poor options (asda vs JSA). No-one in this thread seems to have a plan as to how they are going to get a better job... has anyone who has 'grafted' at Asda got a job they are now proud of?

 

[Steedie]

This is an excellent idea

Bring it on

 

[Dolph]

There seems to be a lot of focus on a choice between two poor options (asda vs JSA). No-one in this thread seems to have a plan as to how they are going to get a better job... has anyone who has 'grafted' at Asda got a job they are now proud of?

Yes thanks, I took my work ethic and moved, and am perfectly happy and proud of the job I do now, as well as the pay and benefits with it.

How many long term dole claimaints end up in jobs to be proud of?

 

[cleanbluesky]

Yes thanks, I took my work ethic and moved, and am perfectly happy and proud of the job I do now, as well as the pay and benefits with it.

How many long term dole claimaints end up in jobs to be proud of?

You really have a chip on your shoulder over this... I don't think we can guaruntee how many long-term dolies end up in decent jobs.

I was wondering whether people who'd work a crap job for however long would be equally as likely (or marginally more likely) as getting a job they liked - dolies and shelf-stackers have a lot in common, which is demonstrated by how much rivalry there is between them in this thread.

 

[Dolph]

You really have a chip on your shoulder over this... I don't think we can guaruntee how many long-term dolies end up in decent jobs.

Perhaps, I begrudge those who take advantage of a system designed to ensure protection and welfare and use it as a lifestyle choice. Benefits were never meant to be an alternative to working, but the majority of people using the 'right job' excuse are really just choosing benefits as a lifestyle, especially as they often choose jobs or desire wages way beyond their qualifications/earning capacity, or jobs that many people would love, but that are oversubscribed. I'd much rather the money went to those working, than those who do not.

I'd love to be a professional fiction writer, should I go on the dole until I get a publishing contract? Or should I carry on writing as my hobby and in my spare time while working?

I was wondering whether people who'd work a crap job for however long would be equally as likely (or marginally more likely) as getting a job they liked - dolies and shelf-stackers have a lot in common, which is demonstrated by how much rivalry there is between them in this thread.

I'd say so, if only because those stuck in those jobs that move up have good work ethic and experience of being down near the bottom, and tend to show this when they move up the job ladder. The majority of the true permanant shelf stackers end up in that position for other reasons, normally a lack of a good work ethic or an inability or unwillingness to learn the skills to move beyond, but they are the exception rather than the rule.

 

[Orcish-Horde]

have you actually READ any of the posts previously? i don't like people who want something for nothing, who want everyone else to work hard, in dead end jobs so they don't have to, if you think this is ok then i have absolutely no qualms saying you are a plank as well

(did you even see the part where badbob insulted me for being a shelf stacker, yet has no problem stealing my taxes because being a shelf stacker is beneath him?)

i like the way i get personally insulted for working hard the entire time i've been able to work, by people who think it's acceptable to do **** all, ******* lazy scum

Just wait till you have been through the mill a few times, we are about to tip into a recession. There is a good chance that you will still be stacking shelf in 10 years times if the recession is a bad one. On the other hand lets say you loss your job to illness, nothing to bad now just enought to give you bad time keeping and you lose your job. You then start to understand that your employer doesn't care about anything other than their targets. You can work for decades for an employer and never ask anything of them over that time other than your wage. Its not untill you start having problems that you realise that you are to them just a cog that will be replaced if it starts giving problems.

The dole is a safety net into which we all pay tax you never know how your life will turn out. Using that safety net doesn't make you scum be that one week, one year or a life time.

 

[Things change I've changed]

There seems to be a lot of focus on a choice between two poor options (asda vs JSA). No-one in this thread seems to have a plan as to how they are going to get a better job... has anyone who has 'grafted' at Asda got a job they are now proud of?

That's an interesting proposal, like I said I had many low paid jobs over the years until 10 years ago I had the opportunity to work for a computer local computer firm, I was just helping out part time at first but then they took me on full time as an engineer, a year later I was running my department, my firm also had a chain of mobile phone shops and also won a contract with Nokia to be the Nokia service Centre for the SW, after 3 years working at the firm I was asked by my boss if I wanted to be the head of that Service centre..............

But I turned him down, there was something I realised while working at that firm, all the years I was in school and college I imagined myself working in I.T, maybe running my own computer firm etc, but that job taught me something, I wasn't happy in I.T, not ultimately, at first yes, but after the first year I started to get depressed, I lost focus in life, what I thought would make me happy wasn't the case anymore, I missed some of the energy and buzz I got from working in some of the Hotel kitchens over the years, so I decided to go back into the catering industry, I knew it would mean having less money but at the same time I didn't want to be at the bottom anymore, so I went back to a restaurant that I had worked in before, I came in at the bottom but soon worked my way up again, now I chef and run that kitchen in that restaurant and I love it,

Yeah I could be earning more money but at the same time I'm certainly not on poor wages by any means, but the money is secondary in my job tbh, I've found my passion, I get a real buzz from cooking and managing my kitchen and staff under pressure, and I get a real sense of accomplishment at the end of a hard day, especially when I can balance everything just right, yeah I'm pretty happy atm, I kind of feel like I've travelled full circle, it's certainly been an interesting journey of self discovery for me, perhaps I was a born grafter, My mother was half Polish so maybe that has something to do with it .

The dole is a safety net into which we all pay tax you never know how your life will turn out. Using that safety net doesn't make you scum be that one week, one year or a life time.

Yes of course it's a safety net, anyone with a couple of atoms of sense rolling around in their head knows that, I don't think anyone is saying that everyone that goes on the dole is scum, if you have a legitimate reason for claiming JSA then fine, if your claiming incapacity benefit due to poor health then also fine, thats whats it's there for, what I, (and presume others) have a problem with is people that spend months and months on the dole refusing to take on any job that they feel is beneath them or just makes them feel 'unhappy', yes of course people should have the opportunity to find work in their chosen field of expertise but if that goal can't be achieved then they should accept a basic job temporarily, it's as simple as that.

 

[magick]

Won't happen, at least not like people imagine it will. You send unemployed people to pick litter up and they end up just sitting there all day or working very, very slow. The manager/superviser will keep his mouth shut because if he complains and ends up getting someones benefit stopped there's a good chance that person will come down and beat him up after work, smash his car up, ect.

 

[magick]

Also I think are missing what this policy is really about. The government will eventualy exapnd this policy from picking up litter to doing other types of work (manual labour, building, factory work) and provide the economy with masses of cheap labour as the recession comes in. And if this recession is anything like last time with >20% unemployment, and I think it will be a lot higher than that, that means the rich can still keep getting richer. God bless capatilism :-/

***EDIT***

Right now it's easy to sit there and say bring it on when you think you'r safe in your job. But maybe you won't be so keen when the recession kicks in and many of us could well lose our jobs and end up cheap slave labour.

 

[Orcish-Horde]

Yes of course it's a safety net, anyone with a couple of atoms of sense rolling around their head knows that, I don't think anyone is saying that everyone that goes on the dole is scum, if you have a legitimate reason for claiming JSA then fine, if your claiming incapacity benefit due to poor health then also fine, thats whats it's there for, what I, (and presume others) have a problem with is people that spend months and months on the dole refusing to take on any job that they feel is beneath them or just makes them feel 'unhappy', yes of course people should have the opportunity to find work in their chosen field of expertise but if that goal can't be achieved then they should accept a basic job temporarily, it's as simple as that.

Its not that people few some jobs as being below them its that them jobs don't pay the bills. Take any old job they offer you(They don't offer you anything other than an application form) and lose your home by the end of the year cause you can't pay the rent/morgage. So how do you split the can't find a job crowd from the don't want a job crowd?

 

[Dolph]

Its not that people few some jobs as being below them its that them jobs don't pay the bills. Take any old job they offer you(They don't offer you anything other than an application form) and lose your home by the end of the year cause you can't pay the rent/morgage. So how do you split the can't find a job crowd from the don't want a job crowd?

That's the benefit trap I've been talking about, it's something that needs addressing carefully, because being on benefits should not be a better option than getting a job (or getting a job and getting some help, I'd be much happier with that).

 

[Orcish-Horde]

That's the benefit trap I've been talking about, it's something that needs addressing carefully, because being on benefits should not be a better option than getting a job (or getting a job and getting some help, I'd be much happier with that).

Housing Benifits is the real problem as I view it, Let to Buy has total exploted Housing Benifit. A few Let to Buyers I know of only let to dole claimers and know how much they can get out of the system for each let. Thats where our NI payments are going.

 

[Dolph]

Housing Benifits is the real problem as I view it, Let to Buy has total exploted Housing Benifit. A few Let to Buyers I know of only let to dole claimers and know how much they can get out of the system for each let. Thats where our NI payments are going.

The real problem for social housing was the right to buy, which meant it was not cost effective to build or keep social housing. Without that problem, the let to dole claimers would have been well left out of the loop.

 

[mmj_uk]

Stupid idea.

Why would anyone employ people to do these jobs for minimum wage when they can get dole claimants to do it on the cheap? unless we are desperate for people in these sectors (which I doubt) it's just going to create more unemployed.

It's the same with retail at the moment they no longer bother employing most of the staff themselves because they can just get a constant cycle of people off the dole to do the jobs for them at the government and tax payers expense, it's cheap labour and the only ones really benefitting from it are the businesses.

It's all just a case of whatever makes the unemployment figures look better...