Households which download illegally to have speeds reduced

[uv]

Now seriously, Adobe PhotoShop's, everyone has got one of the PS's

Who actually payed 500 odd quid for the program? unless thats where your work is at

If it's not where your work is at, then why do you need it?

There are free alternatives - Gimp, paint.net - both perfectly credible and free applications. Gimpshop is even set up to mimic the 'chop, so you'll be right at home with the menus, shortcuts and layout.

Just because you are able to acquire Photoshop doesn't mean you are entitled to use it.

 

[<F0rb>]

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[fini]

'they' should create a decent service that matches the quality & speed users can get from illegal sources

There should be, within a year, a service being launched in America that will allow users to stream high-def versions of films in the gap between when they're at the cinema and when they're available to buy on DVD. Most the large studios have signed up to it. I can't tell you how much I welcome this move as currently if you want to watch something between it being at the cinema and available on DVD you have no choice but to pirate it.

 

[Le_Petit_Lapin]

Now seriously, Adobe PhotoShop's, everyone has got one of the PS's

Who actually payed 500 odd quid for the program? unless thats where your work is at

The bit I find funny about this is Deviant Art. Theres what, millions of works on there, and they all state that they used some version of Photoshop. In thier blurb, they have a Copyright clause that says you can't steal their work.

I wonder how many of them stole Photoshop to produce the work...?

 

[Morba]

If you like it enough to be prepared to be dishonest then why not just do the right thing and pay for it?

I really don't beleive that "I never would have bought it anyway" is an excuse. I'd never pay for two tickets in a box at Wembley for the FA cup final, do you think I would be allowed to just walk in and take the seats, even if the box is empty?

If you derive productivity or pleasure, no matter how small, from someone elses work have a bit of honesty and respect and pay them for it.

I download songs not albums. If i like a song then i will check to see if it is on napster first, if it is then i get the album on there.
So, i then get the song again legally. Good that eh?

 

[lolwtfbbq]

Anyone want to start OCUK Internet Services?

 

[photoshop]

The way around this is private ftp servers. It never fails me.

I've never really understood vigins internet policy. My speed flucuates like the oil price. Sometimes i get over 1mb/s and sometimes im lucky not to loose my connection.

Last night my connection kept on dropping out.

Luckily, i was not one fo the ones that got a letter from them

 

[Stretch]

Absolute balls. CD sales are at an all-time low. Labels are shutting down. Scores of CD shops have been forced to close. The industry is in panic.

Whether consumers download legal or illegally the music Shops are going to go out of business. The industry had changed and they just need to face up to that fact.

 

[Mr Jones]

The bit I find funny about this is Deviant Art. Theres what, millions of works on there, and they all state that they used some version of Photoshop. In thier blurb, they have a Copyright clause that says you can't steal their work.

I wonder how many of them stole Photoshop to produce the work...?

I for one, along with many others have it up as only usable for non-commercial use + credited. I agree, many many people wouldn't buy a photoshop app for something not used in commercial.

 

[Stretch]

Why not? Don't you perceive it to be theft?

Yes its theft. The music industry has been robbing consumers for years, I really don't have the slightest bit of sympathy for them. I think illegal downloads are finally forcing them face up to this fact.

Certain sections of the industry treat music like a commodity that can be product and marketed en mass. If it can be produced like that it should be sold like that. They are the ones that have devalued the artistic value of music and should take some responsibility for declining music sales.

'they' should create a decent service that matches the quality & speed users can get from illegal sources

and use realistic pricing

i'm sure most people would be more than happy to use a service like that

basically the opposite of itunes is what we want

What he said

 

[Inquisitor]

Last night my connection kept on dropping out.

Mine too. I miss the old Telewest

 

[CaptainComedy]

Limewire was never ok. If you still use it you deserve a rogering.

lol rogering...


the interwebz is serious business!

 

[.:MBK:.]

so is this still about suspected downloaders (just monitor usage) or whether or not the vast quantities of data (which are probably illegal) that you download must be proven to be illegal (ie break the SSL encryption most downloaders with 1/2 a brain use)

it clearly shows the music industry that the price they expect us to pay is no longer acceptable if they have had to become this volatile against the illegal download market which has existed since the very early days of the internet.

this method will do nothing but hurt the innocent consumer as prices of ISPs rise to compensate for the new hardware and man power needed to accomodate new regulations whilst the downloaders will merely find ways to circumvent this, either by moving to small ISPs not subject to the agreements or via various encryption forms that must be broken to prove the data packets are illegal

 

[Manlove is my forte]

Labels are shutting down.

Labels are always shutting down like all businesses there is a high mortality in new startups and even well established brands go bust.

Scores of CD shops have been forced to close. The industry is in panic.

Internet Stores using Postal methods are probably more responsible for that than Downloaders tbh.

 

[Inquisitor]

Internet Stores using Postal methods are probably more responsible for that than Downloaders tbh.

Nail on the head here. Legal downloads and online CD stores are probably damaging the high street CD shop's business far more than illegal downloads.

The difference is that most illegal downloaders are unlikely to buy CDs anyway, whereas people who do buy CDs are now more inclined to either download the music directly or order the CD from a website instead.

This isn't a bad thing; it just means that the business model of high street CD shops is faltering as the requirement for them isn't as great as it once was.

 

[oldbag]

I can see many ISPs losing users from now on.

 

[z0mbi3]

While we're at it why don't we ban the sale of second hand music? The labels and the bands don't get any money out of distributing their music that way either.

That's a ridiculous analogy and you have to know.

If it's second hand then the band were paid for it when it was new, now that it's been sold on the original owner no longer has it. There's one copy, it's ownership has changed. That's completely different both legally and logically...

You're missing my point, it's obvious that the bands/labels/owners benefit from the original sale but if everyone started buying CDs second hand rather than first hand through the big retailers then you'd have a similar situation to what they're trying to do now with the illegal downloads.

If a substantial enough amount of people posses the labels music without having given them money for it then they'll try to stop it, regardless of how it's happening. Yeah second hand sales isn't a direct comparison to the current state of affairs but it's a near enough example of how the majority of the industry thinks.

 

[Strife212]

I'm glad the CD industry is dying.

I buy ALL my games but music? You are having a laugh. Games and films cost millions of pounds to develop wheras recording music costs next to nothing. They just conjure profits out of nothing.

 

[Pixel]

Unfortunatley my ISP (Pipex) was bought out by the dire Tiscali a while ago. I pay for 8MB but half the time I get nowhere near that. They also limit torrent speeds during the day, which was especially annoying when I used to play WoW which uses a torrent system to distribute patches.

Can anyone recommend an ISP to switch to? Be* aren't available in my area unfortunatley.

 

[Manlove is my forte]

Unfortunatley my ISP (Pipex) was bought out by the dire Tiscali a while ago. I pay for 8MB but half the time I get nowhere near that. They also limit torrent speeds during the day, which was especially annoying when I used to play WoW which uses a torrent system to distribute patches.

Can anyone recommend an ISP to switch to? Be* aren't available in my area unfortunatley.

Nildram bought out by pipex service suffered. Pipex bought out by tiscali service suffered.

I used to be able to get 8Mb in my area. In fact I was catagorically told by a technician that I was dead close to the LLU exchange and I could go faster when adsl2 came into place.

A while back I was havening frequent timeout issues, they reduced my ADSL limit to 6Mb which fixed the issue

Called up a week or 2 ago regarding a fault and inquired about an upgrade and was told I was now limited to 6Mb and to upgrade would be futile as the exchange is miles away.

B* used to be able to offer me a stupidly fast connection... but now it only offers me a 1Mb connection... Something funny is going on in my area.