After a new 40/42" tv

naefeart said:
And anyway, do we really need 42, 50, 65" Lcd/plasma displays to sit and watch telly on, all day? Have you seen the weather outside.. ;)

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I wish I had a 42" CAD screen at work, although I guess I can go one better as I guess to play with eight Sony SRX-S105 projectors at work.

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I have the Panasonic PZ80 and its awesome. A huge improvement over my previous samsung HD plasma. In fact I've just had Virgin V+ installed and the installer said its the best image quality he's seen in the installations he's done (watching the BBC HD preview channel). I use it for about 60% SD viewing, 20% HD movies and 20% xbox 360. Handles everything brilliantly
 
Jonnycoupe said:
I dont know if you were opening with a statement or a question, please clarify. Quit with the sentences that read like a caveman would say them.

I AM talking about IFC, as I quoted that post to bring up the point about IFC not being all that great, with some DATA to support that. You are reading only selective snippets of posts that you feel like disagreeing with as per usual.

I then went on to raise a point about these things that add extra frames, if that was such a great idea why would 24hz exist in the first place. Ie 50hz base yet some tech adds frames whilst others make a point of less frames to match how they were actually recorded.

TBh I didnt really realise there is an issue with the Pz80 24p, so im not sure what the 24p real cinema brings to the table over the cheaper PANASONIC brother, not a Samsung.
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wow and you're still not getting it. I couldn't care less about IFC- it seems a useless feature. HOWEVER the PZ80 doesn't have proper 24hz support. AND THAT'S WHY you should get the PZ85 or PZ81. Nothing to do with IFC.

Get it?
 
Yeah the camera wont pick up the polarized effect from the stereo projectors.

The CAVE at JLR is 3 walls and ceiling at 4K res its pretty nuts to sit in a Jag XF with a 'virtual finger' while it reverse parks in a street.
 
naefeart said:
The 85B has the 24p Real Cinema feature, improved sound with Dolby Digital and BBE VivVA HD3D Sound and Intelligent Frame Creation (removes flicker from fast moving action - adding extra frames to give a smoother appearance).

Up to you how 'useless' you feel these things are. Pays yer money...

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Sorry, I forgot about the HDMI placement - I thought that was only the 80X/80Z which means I need to re-think which model I'll get now, as I really don't like the look of the 85 :(

Improved sound is useless since who spends this much on a TV without a separate decent sound system, BBE XYZ 123 acronyms are also useless to anyone who really cares about sound, and most AVforums users have IFC turned off :)

Looking around there's now so little difference in price I think it comes down to looks (:() and HDMI placement ( :))

Re 24hz there's so much confusion over this, I thought we'd all decided that they ALL have 24hz support and that the 'real cinema' is just extra gimmicky? Time to read the latest on AVforums I suppose....
 
Beansprout said:
Improved sound is useless since who spends this much on a TV without a separate decent sound system...
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7 posts earlier...

naefeart said:
But I wanted the additional features offered by the 85 - I don't as yet have a separate AV audio set up (onkyo 606 and Kef3005s coming later this year) - so it seemed to me to be worth the extra...
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:D

Got nothing against the 80B, its a good price, I just opted to pay a bit more for a different model. Like I said, it all depends on your requirements and what you are prepared to pay :)

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Just been flicking back and forth between the 80B and 85B and although they differ in design I kinda prefer the 85B's more square look....

Wait till I see them in the flesh I think (and see how bad the front HDMI is before deciding :))
 
badbob said:
wow and you're still not getting it. I couldn't care less about IFC- it seems a useless feature. HOWEVER the PZ80 doesn't have proper 24hz support. AND THAT'S WHY you should get the PZ85 or PZ81. Nothing to do with IFC.

Get it?
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Yes okay your being very tangential in your posting style as usual. My main point was simply posting to the chap who thought IFC was great. Your still not getting that a reply in a thread may just be a sharing of knowledge rather than a specific reply to you questioning what you are stating. You need to lighten up a bit.

Just because you are not thinking about the IFC at the moment you post does not mean it cannot be discussed in this thread! Funny thing is that I WAS the one that pulled some information about ~IFC in. YOu have simply said

I couldn't care less about IFC- it seems a useless feature.
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Seems? Well thats useful to people reading this Im sure.

What failures does the PZ80 24 hz have then. It hasnt been covered in this thread, again not useful to anyone reading this thread. All we have is 'get a Pz85 cos badattitude says so'
 
It doesn't work properly- or displays a unusual multiple of 24hz, look on avf. Much like Samsung 24hz, buggy as it's with 2:2 pulldown.
 
I have been looking very carefully into the panasonics as I am hoping to be buying one later today. I have read up on the various models and the general consensus seems to be that the 80B is very good at what it does including 24fps playback with no apparently telecine judder. The conclusion given to the 80B review at www.hdtvtest.co.uk was thus:

Delivering excellent black level, revealing shadow detail, fluid motion, detailed resolution and natural colours, performance-wise the Panasonic TH42PZ80 is fundamentally a PZ85 minus the [Intelligent Frame Creation] technology which–truth be told–we’re not too keen on for various reasons. If you’re not overly bothered about the aesthetics of the television itself (the PZ85 probably edges the PZ80 in this regard) or the intrusive positioning of the third HDMI input, then the Panasonic TH42PZ80 would almost certainly represent a better bang for your buck than the PZ85 series.

The 80B for me, is a no-brainer.
 
Just to update you. I purchased the 82B (identical to the 80B) and it is pretty sweet so far altho I do have 1 small niggle - the PC (VGA) connection doesnt appear to accept the 360 VGA cable and as such you have to use either HDMI or Component. And in case there was any confusion, the 80B DOES accept 1080p/24 video signal with no judder. The 85B simply has a gimmicky function that allegedly smoothes playback further but as the conclusion on the hdtvtest site said, the 80B is the better buy bang for buck. I am now using PC DVI -> HDMI cable and its looking pretty damned sweet :) Do yourself a favour and buy one of these bad boys, you wont regret it!
 
Jonnycoupe said:
What failures does the PZ80 24 hz have then. It hasnt been covered in this thread, again not useful to anyone reading this thread. All we have is 'get a Pz85 cos badattitude says so'
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No failure mate, the 1080p/24 video signal playback is fine :) The argument is whether you feel its worth wasting/spending £100 more on a function that may or may not be worth it (the 24p real cinema thingy).
 
If 24hz is working with PZ80 why does the new one have real 24hz? afaik the PZ80 do not show 24hz natively at 24hz, but a multiple of it. But the PZ85/81 will show it exactly at 24hz. Like Pioneers.
 
I'm not terribly experienced in this, and havnt read most of the thread, but here's my opinion...

Images can get burned into plasmas quite easily, mostly temporarily, but say the windows toolbar, could end up being burned onto there..

I see no point in buying a plasma, especially not for gaming, the resolution is very low, and the only selling feature is the contrast ratio, and tbh anything above 7,000 is just greedy...

So if you want it for gaming or moves get an lcd, as it will have higher res, aka better quality pic..
 
ojrules said:
I'm not terribly experienced in this, and havnt read most of the thread, but here's my opinion...

Images can get burned into plasmas quite easily, mostly temporarily, but say the windows toolbar, could end up being burned onto there..

I see no point in buying a plasma, especially not for gaming, the resolution is very low, and the only selling feature is the contrast ratio, and tbh anything above 7,000 is just greedy...

So if you want it for gaming or moves get an lcd, as it will have higher res, aka better quality pic..
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In my opinion, admitting that you have not taken the time to read the thread is pretty ignorant. I have to say that I disagree pretty much with all you have said in your post for the following reasons:

- Plasmas deal with fast movement/motion better than LCDs.
- The plasmas we are discussing have a resolution of 1920 x 1080.
- Response times of plasmas are generally superior to LCDs.
- Screen burn is not as much of an issue as it used to be nowadays.
- The contrast ratio is not the only selling point of plasmas.

I accept that what you have said is your opinion which is fair enough and you had the decency to say this was a topic you were not au fait with. Hopefully, if you read through the thread in whole, you may in fact learn something and appreciate plasmas a lil more than you first did. I have no intention of being the proclaimer of plasmas, however, a lil education goes a long way.
 
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badbob said:
If 24hz is working with PZ80 why does the new one have real 24hz? afaik the PZ80 do not show 24hz natively at 24hz, but a multiple of it. But the PZ85/81 will show it exactly at 24hz. Like Pioneers.
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"If you're confused about the "24p Real Cinema" technology touted on Panasonic's brochures, it simply refers to frame interpolation of 24p material, and should kick into action when you apply [Intelligent Frame Creation] to 1080p/24 video signals."

Taken from the HDTVTEST review of the 85B.

So basically its all about trying to create smoother playback. Since the 80B has 24p playback as well but no IFC, you have to ask yourself if its worth paying extra? It's purely horses for courses and I know I am happy with the 24p playback without the frame interpolation. In short, I would not have purchased the 82B (80B) if there was 24p playback issues. Just to re-iterate:

"The Panasonic TH42PZ80 flat screen plasma also handled 1080p/24 video signal from the PS3 flawlessly, betraying no sign of telecine judder in sweeping pans of the breathtaking Missouri landscape."

Again, taken from HDTVTEST webby regarding the 80B review.
 
ojrules said:
Images can get burned into plasmas quite easily, mostly temporarily, but say the windows toolbar, could end up being burned onto there..
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Ture, if someone was going to be a substantive desktop user then I'd suggest they got an LCD. However, having left they sky menu on my plasma overnight befre there is no sign of retention.

ojrules said:
and the only selling feature is the contrast ratio, and tbh anything above 7,000 is just greedy...
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It's entirely subjective, but if you want to whites to be white and blacks to be black, they you want this to be as high as possible (without resorting to any form of 'intelligent' management)

ojrules said:
as it will have higher res, aka better quality pic..
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So painfully wrong, you're a marketeers wet dream.

I can show many examples where 720p TVs out perform 1080p TVs. There is so much more to it than just the resolution. It's like saying having more megapixels on your camera means it takes better pictures.
 
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