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40nm RV870 "Lil Dragon"

Be very funny if they include dx11 in the hardware though :D

Didn't realise it would be so close (if it is Q1 2009).

Matthew
 
Yeah, ATi is updating/shrinking their hardware every 6-8 months (for the unobservant, they have been since R600). What comes Q3 09 will be a big boost over RV870, as they're doing a similar thing to Intel's tick-tock.
 
willhub said:
Its speeding up again, not going to be any 8800GTX's anytime soon.
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Thank **** to be honest, we don't need another year and a half of total domination revolving around £300 video cards with £180 being at the lowest price point worth buying.
 
Oh well even more reasons to buy the next ATi card.

Lightnix said:
Thank **** to be honest, we don't need another year and a half of total domination revolving around £300 video cards with £180 being at the lowest price point worth buying.
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For people that can afford the best card in that scenario it would not be so bad :p, untill you get bored and want a new card that is :D.

I remember reading posts on this forum of GTX owners getting bored and fed up and wanting a new card, we've got tons now, god knows how many G92 revisions are out too :o
 
Lightnix said:
Thank **** to be honest, we don't need another year and a half of total domination revolving around £300 video cards with £180 being at the lowest price point worth buying.
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Id rather it was 18 months between release's as long as the harware jump was a big as the 8800gtx was.
 
I'm pretty sure the 4870's where as big as the 8800GTX in terms of from the previouse cards.

7900GTX -> 8800GTX
3870 -> 4870.

Some benchys show the 4870 is twice as fast, pretty decent speed increase over the 3870, better upgrade than those who went from 8800GT's like me where it was no like twice as fast but still a nice upgrade, good to be able to pile on AA at 1680x1050, with my 8800GTS640 I found I could not pile on AA in much even at 1440x900, crysis ran like a dog on high settings too at 1440x900 (Like 15-20fps, was the MP Demo though)
 
The 4870 is a lot more than 2x the speed of a 3870... hell it beats the 3870 X2 by miles in some tests!

4870 is the best card i've seen in a long time.
 
Here's me thinking it was a bad idea to head off for a few days with the lady and spend my money. ( I know I sound so romantic :p )

I really wanted a new crossfire & watercooled setup. :(

But thank the lord for the Lil Dragon. I think I'll wait for it and save up.

That way I can replace nearly my entire system :)
 
Richdog said:
The 4870 is a lot more than 2x the speed of a 3870... hell it beats the 3870 X2 by miles in some tests!

4870 is the best card i've seen in a long time.
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From what ive read id agree, but the 8800gtx was so much better than any other card NV or ATI had available at the time or for months after release. As good as the 4780 is, it hasnt pulled ahead of the pack as much as the 8800gtx did.

What is astounding with this ATI card though is the performance price ratio, but as food for thought, why are MOBO's getting more expensive when all other electronic components appear to be getting cheaper?
 
It's for fo so called "enthusiasts".
Better features and "extras" for a very higher price.

People forget, an enthusiast is someone that takes something ok, and makes it a beast.

Why spend, 2000 on enthusiast products, when you can spend 800 and make it as good if not better.
 
Electron migration and current leakage are completely different things, and yes current leakage increases as the processes get smaller. The insulator type materials they use around each "path" through the core are having to be increased in quality/effectiveness with every new generation(roughly) to compensate for the higher leakage. There is a limit to how small the process can realistically get, because even if we can get transistors to say 0.0001nm(not gonna happen) then the insulator sustance will still be 1nm on either side of the transistor so the transistor size isn't the complete picture of size, its insulator < transistor >insulator essentially.

At some point we do need to switch over to new materials to get things under a certain size but we're still years away from being limited from silicon. THen tbh, as scalability increases across cores, and probably in 2-3 windows versions we'll be programming to have next to perfect scalability, so just add more cores, and then more sockets untill we find something new to use. But I think the next 2-3 shrinks are on course to take us through to 2012 or something, with the one coming 2012 probably lasting a couple years still so plenty of time to come up with something else.
 
Yeah... Intel already had issues with the manufacturing process and now use "high-k" materials for.... something.
Anyway, It'll be interesting to see if the GPU market uses something similar.
I'm sure with the current materials being used we'll be able to get to 12nm - after that I'm a bit dubious.
 
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