• Competitor rules

    Please remember that any mention of competitors, hinting at competitors or offering to provide details of competitors will result in an account suspension. The full rules can be found under the 'Terms and Rules' link in the bottom right corner of your screen. Just don't mention competitors in any way, shape or form and you'll be OK.

40nm RV870 "Lil Dragon"

Natima said:
Yeah... Intel already had issues with the manufacturing process and now use "high-k" materials for.... something.
Anyway, It'll be interesting to see if the GPU market uses something similar.
I'm sure with the current materials being used we'll be able to get to 12nm - after that I'm a bit dubious.
Click to expand...

What's the most fun part is that althought everything is shrinking in size - actually it is getting bigger. I'm pretty sure the RV9xx series even tho probably being 32nm or less, will need at least a full tower case to fit in, mid towers just wont cut it anymore soon, they already have problems :D.

Same goes for CPUs, the new nehalems will be bigger, the mobos will be bigger, the CPU coolers will be bigger - anyone that has seen scythe orochi knows what I have in mind ;-).
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
It's for fo so called "enthusiasts".
Better features and "extras" for a very higher price.

People forget, an enthusiast is someone that takes something ok, and makes it a beast.

Why spend, 2000 on enthusiast products, when you can spend 800 and make it as good if not better.
Click to expand...

All 3 of those statements contradict each other
 
pegasus1 said:
All 3 of those statements contradict each other
Click to expand...

I fail to see how. Go back even just five years to the Athlon XP.

People would easily buy an Dragon Soyo mobo, easily half the price of many other.

Yet were able to overclock very easily and be quite reliable.

Meaning you'd spend less and gain the same equivalent of performance the "extreme" solutions.

Same could be said for todays.

Why buy a x48 mobo with built on water cooling and extras you'll never really need.

When you can easily get a p45/x38 and overclock to ensure the same performance for far less of the costs.

As far as I know there aren't that "many" people here with Extreme Cpu's.

Why would you spend 999 for one when for 99 you can get one that's only 600Mhz slower and clocker it far higher.

Sometimes with just stock cooling or just spending like 35 pound on an aftermark cooler.

The same easily goes for GPU's.
 
^that's currently why I'm running a 4850 and not a 4870. Not worth the extra money IMO...I'm happily running 820core/1150mem daily for my 24/7 clock on 1.34v load, 1.04v idle...at which speed is significantly faster than a 4870.

However, if something new comes out in the 115-140 quid range and has 960 shaders and 40nm I would definitely buy it!
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
I fail to see how. Go back even just five years to the Athlon XP.

People would easily buy an Dragon Soyo mobo, easily half the price of many other.

Yet were able to overclock very easily and be quite reliable.

Meaning you'd spend less and gain the same equivalent of performance the "extreme" solutions.

Same could be said for todays.

Why buy a x48 mobo with built on water cooling and extras you'll never really need.

When you can easily get a p45/x38 and overclock to ensure the same performance for far less of the costs.

As far as I know there aren't that "many" people here with Extreme Cpu's.

Why would you spend 999 for one when for 99 you can get one that's only 600Mhz slower and clocker it far higher.

Sometimes with just stock cooling or just spending like 35 pound on an aftermark cooler.

The same easily goes for GPU's.
Click to expand...

Now i have re-read your statement i understand what you meant, im sure if youd have said it i wouldnt have got it confused, thats a problem with the typed word. I totaly agree about the other stuff, im looking at a new rig come Oct-ish and will prolly get a P45 and an E8500 (or whatever is out then). Although i'l have 7 months worth of untouched wages i'l refuse to pay big money for frills i dont need. An Asus P45 Delux whilst expensive, has everything im looking for. If you look at my sig you'l see im not shy of buying cheep (mobo and CPU) but the GTX has been worth every pound i paid for it ages ago (just over 300 iirc).
 
willhub said:
It wont be possible to get to 1nm surely? Maybe after that like 0.9 etc..?
Click to expand...

doubt they will go lower than 10nm, at that point they may be getting close to the width of an electron so it wont be able to pass through the gates.
it be funny though. having a plunger unblock a gate with an electron stuck in it. lol.
 
Cyber-Mav said:
doubt they will go lower than 10nm, at that point they may be getting close to the width of an electron so it wont be able to pass through the gates.
it be funny though. having a plunger unblock a gate with an electron stuck in it. lol.
Click to expand...

lol! not even close dude. an electron is very, very, very, very, very, VERY tiny.
 
Cyber-Mav said:
doubt they will go lower than 10nm, at that point they may be getting close to the width of an electron so it wont be able to pass through the gates.
it be funny though. having a plunger unblock a gate with an electron stuck in it. lol.
Click to expand...

where did you get your information from?

a electron is about 1000th the size of a proton, a proton is 10 -15 and 1 nanometer is 10 to the -9 (billion)... hence a electron would be 10 -18 which would be 0.0000001nm or here abouts


the problem is not electrons but the size of silicon atoms which would prob make 10nm very hard..

and i think by the time it gets that small things would switch to quantum computers
 
Last edited:
Lightnix said:
I can hold off for that, my GTS320 is doing fine. :D
Click to expand...

LMAO :D. You're like Cyber-Mav. Love you some ATI but use the 8800GTS. Mav loves him some Nvidia but runs the X1900. The mind boggles hehe. Pre G80 I was with ATI for most of it but since G80 I started to like Nvidia cards a lot more. So no 4850/70 or X2 for you then?. Lil dragon looks a cracker of a card but it could be a while to see it so why not "love you some ATI" and give them the money for a 4850 to replace your GTS? :D. If everything is running sweet then fair enough but thought I'd ask ;).

It's great how quickly ATI/AMD are pushing the performances of the just released 4 series and are already looking at vastly reducing the power draw. This way, Nvidia has no time to sit back and be lazy as the bar is getting set to a new level and they have to compete. Great times for us all. Also we seen the G80 emerge as a butterfly from the 7 series caterpillar. Was this due to the X1900s IQ, performance and ability to do HDR/AA?. If this is what Nvidia will do with pressure applied then we may be seeing something special next time round from the green camp (fingers crossed).
 
Cyber-Mav said:
doubt they will go lower than 10nm, at that point they may be getting close to the width of an electron so it wont be able to pass through the gates.
it be funny though. having a plunger unblock a gate with an electron stuck in it. lol.
Click to expand...

Apparently an electron atom or something is like 0.7nm accross.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom