Why pay for something if you can get it for nothing?
Illegal downloads
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None in this thread.Respect to the developers!
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SSL. Encrypted Usenet is hard to associate with copyright infringement.
Respect to the developers!
How is that a valid reason for buying software? Software should be purchased on the merit and need of the software.
I purchase banking software because I have a need and the package I chose has merit. Nowt to do with who developed it.
Price has a factor as well. That's why I didn't buy Photoshop but did buy a cheaper alternative.
It's even better than that, because they get to sue multiple people for the same thing.
Say, for example, that I download a copy of something or other. It's a gig. I get bits of it from 100 different people. Voila! The company can now claim "damages" of 100 times the full retail price of a boxed, packaged copy of whatever it was plus all the extra stuff that comes with it, like artwork, printed manual (for a game), DVD extras or whatever, for that one copy of it that lacks all the extra stuff. And they didn't even have to pay for the bandwidth!
But wait...while downloading it, I also uploaded little bits of it to 100 people. So that's another 100 times the full retail price, etc.
This "damages" crap is potentially far more profitable to companies than selling a product.
Looks like we might have a few more posts appearing soon 
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20080820/tuk-gamers-hit-by-fines-from-lawyers-45dbed5.html
Thousands of gamers who have shared files illegally online are about to get a nasty surprise through the post - a fine for hundreds of pounds.
The makers behind popular games such as The Lord Of The Rings and the Colin McRae rally series are set to serve 25,000 people with the legal notices.
The families targeted must then pay £300 to settle out of court or face the possibility of a trial.
They are accused of sharing games by top makers Atari, Codemasters, Topware Interactive, Reality Pump and Techland, illegally.
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20080820/tuk-gamers-hit-by-fines-from-lawyers-45dbed5.html
Thousands of gamers who have shared files illegally online are about to get a nasty surprise through the post - a fine for hundreds of pounds.
The makers behind popular games such as The Lord Of The Rings and the Colin McRae rally series are set to serve 25,000 people with the legal notices.
The families targeted must then pay £300 to settle out of court or face the possibility of a trial.
They are accused of sharing games by top makers Atari, Codemasters, Topware Interactive, Reality Pump and Techland, illegally.
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But if i have an unsecured wireless internet connection wouldnt that be huge part to play?
For example in my house atm we dont have the internet yet so im leeching from somewhere nearby. If I download a game and they source it back to the other house they will be like "I never downloaded any games!". *check PC or whatever* - No games. So shouldnt they get off as they geniunly havent?
So if you were downloading games could you just say "Oh, I have an unsecure internet connection, someone must have leeched from me!!" and that would be it? Can they prove anything?
For example in my house atm we dont have the internet yet so im leeching from somewhere nearby. If I download a game and they source it back to the other house they will be like "I never downloaded any games!". *check PC or whatever* - No games. So shouldnt they get off as they geniunly havent?
So if you were downloading games could you just say "Oh, I have an unsecure internet connection, someone must have leeched from me!!" and that would be it? Can they prove anything?
No they can't prove anything and yes under s28A CDPA that would work. Note, however, that they can get a court order allowing them to seize your computer for the purposes of checking for evidence... I can't suggest anyone then uninstalls the program as this would be illegal.
Call me strange, but I think games are quite cheap if you look at them in terms of hours of entertainment and cost.
Although no doubt some people would place me on a par with a bank robber because I often buy second (third, etc) hand games from exchange shops.
Although no doubt some people would place me on a par with a bank robber because I often buy second (third, etc) hand games from exchange shops.
What about reformatting / new HHD?
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I know itunes has stepped forward with a better music marketing model, but the quality is pretty awful. Like the guy from NIN who was on oink said, if there was something like oink where you had to pay, he'd gladly pay. Although I'd probably only pay if it was cheap because not everyone is rich that they can afford lots of music.
Games is a different subject, I'd prefer to have the physical copy of a game but sometimes you get it and it's crap, well not worth the money, if there was a way of testing before you spend ridiculous amounts of money that'd be good. The "if you like it buy it" argument kinda fails because how do you know if you like it before you've bought it.
Games is a different subject, I'd prefer to have the physical copy of a game but sometimes you get it and it's crap, well not worth the money, if there was a way of testing before you spend ridiculous amounts of money that'd be good. The "if you like it buy it" argument kinda fails because how do you know if you like it before you've bought it.
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Its called a Demo!
format doesnt wipe the data...its all still there but just not visible under normal windows.
simple explanation ^^
you would have to copy something over(preferably several times) to get rid of it....but i would rather send them a new hard drive
format doesnt wipe the data...its all still there but just not visible under normal windows.
simple explanation ^^
you would have to copy something over(preferably several times) to get rid of it....but i would rather send them a new hard drive
Just do a full format twice and the data is something like 95% unrecoverable.
I don't think it is more secure. I think it's just less likely that you'll get caught downloading from Usenet as opposed to bit torrent.
As mentioned earlier, it's fairly easy for a copyright infringer to get caught red-handed because there's nothing to stop the copyright holder from joining the same swarm as you and capturing your IP address. When you download via usenet you're not exposing yourself to anyone other than your usenet provider.
Again, I'm still no Perry Mason but I guess a copyright holder can't just ask Giganews or whoever for logs of users just because they have a suspicion you were downloading something you shouldn't have been. I guess they need to have some evidence before asking them to hand over their log files. It's going to be difficult for them to ascertain what you've been downloading because, unlike with bit torrent, they can't see it happening so easily. With the help of your ISP, they could potentially snoop your traffic - but again I guess they'd need some evidence of some wrongdoing in the first place to be able to do this - which is why some people choose to download frmo their newsgroup provider via SSL, as it means that the ISP (and copyright holders) can only see that there is encrypted traffic going from the NNTP server address to you, but not what the content of that traffic is.
Additionally, if you were caught doing something naughty, they could only prosecute you for downloading but not distributing to others, which I believe carries a lesser sentence, although IANAL.
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