Illegal downloads

Heofz · 3 Sep 2008 at 14:33

Also taking into account the availability of stuff.

Sure one might be better than the other in terms of download speed but if you can't find what you're looking for then it's no good is it?

That's one reason why I think torrents are better than others simply because it takes less time for stuff to become available, and files can be made available straight away whereas with RS & newsgroups etc, the files need to be WinRAR'd up and then uploaded before anyone can get their mitts on the files, and if parts or all of the uploaded files are deleted for whatever reason, they need to be re-uploaded again.

Argh, the annoyance in dealing with so many cases of wrong rar password/corrupt archive/missing part/etc

BenhB · 3 Sep 2008 at 14:42

Gouist Rebel said:
Could you not, in theory at least, use a strong electromagnet?

A Hard Drive Degausser will destroy the data and render the drive unusable.

LordSplodge · 3 Sep 2008 at 15:18

Angilion said:
Strictly speaking, that won't properly wipe the drive. It will make data recovery time-consuming and expensive, though, so no-one would bother unless the data on the drive was extremely important.

Who is going to recover a drive that has had its platters smashed into little bits? Is it even possible, assuming the platters are smashed up rather than just bent? I very much doubt you could especially with glass platters!

How about a format and smash?

LordSplodge · 3 Sep 2008 at 15:25

Oh and how many times do we have to do the "piracy" is theft diatribe?

It is copyright infringement and that is not theft!

Happens every thread about this matter.

Cosimo · 3 Sep 2008 at 15:29

LordSplodge said:
Oh and how many times do we have to do the "piracy" is theft diatribe?

It is copyright infringement and that is not theft!

Happens every thread about this matter.

piracy - noun

1. robbery on high seas: robbery on the high seas, especially the stealing of a ship's cargo
2. robbery on any form of transport: robbery committed on board any form of transport, especially an aircraft
3. hijacking: the hijacking of an aircraft or another form of transport
4. use of copyright material without permission: the taking and using of copyright or patented material without authorization or without the legal right to do so
5. illegal broadcasting: the unauthorized or illegal broadcasting of TV or radio programmes

Pho · 3 Sep 2008 at 15:34

Shoseki said:
sftp/scp > *?

Good point

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Heofz said:
That's one reason why I think torrents are better than others simply because it takes less time for stuff to become available, and files can be made available straight away whereas with RS & newsgroups etc, the files need to be WinRAR'd up and then uploaded before anyone can get their mitts on the files, and if parts or all of the uploaded files are deleted for whatever reason, they need to be re-uploaded again.

Argh, the annoyance in dealing with so many cases of wrong rar password/corrupt archive/missing part/etc

Torrents and other P2P networks usually get the files last. Here's the supposed hierarchy (stolen from about the scene):

Releasegroups
Topsites
FXP Boards
IRC Trading
Newsgroups
Peer-To-Peer

As for corruption, that's why people post parity (PAR2) files

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Bear · 3 Sep 2008 at 15:38

simulatorman said:
piracy - noun

1. robbery on high seas: robbery on the high seas, especially the stealing of a ship's cargo
2. robbery on any form of transport: robbery committed on board any form of transport, especially an aircraft
3. hijacking: the hijacking of an aircraft or another form of transport
4. use of copyright material without permission: the taking and using of copyright or patented material without authorization or without the legal right to do so
5. illegal broadcasting: the unauthorized or illegal broadcasting of TV or radio programmes

You do realise you havent actually disproved anything he wrote

Cosimo · 3 Sep 2008 at 15:41

Bear said:
You do realise you havent actually disproved anything he wrote

Well spotted.

ubern00b · 3 Sep 2008 at 17:32

Pho said:
Good point .

Torrents and other P2P networks usually get the files last. Here's the supposed hierarchy (stolen from about the scene):

Releasegroups
Topsites
FXP Boards
IRC Trading
Newsgroups
Peer-To-Peer

As for corruption, that's why people post parity (PAR2) files .

Wow that has to be a pretty old list. P2P, namely torrents, get releases under a minute after pre. Releasegroups/topsites are the same thing by the way (Affil sites).

Heofz · 3 Sep 2008 at 18:12

Pho said:
Torrents and other P2P networks usually get the files last. Here's the supposed hierarchy (stolen from about the scene):

Releasegroups
Topsites
FXP Boards
IRC Trading
Newsgroups
Peer-To-Peer

I remember the old days of IRC trading, and its nowhere near as big now as it used to be. Just the fact that "Peer-To-Peer" is listed and the word "Torrent" isn't mentioned anywhere shows how outdated this information is. When they listed "Peer-To-Peer" they were probably referring to things like Limewire, eDonkey, Direct Connect, etc, which in that case is accurate. But torrents are by far the most convenient and quick way to share a file. It is so easy and only requires a tracker, rather than an online server where you need to upload everything to first, not to mention split the file into chunks, generate PAR files, yadda yadda yadda.

Pho said:
As for corruption, that's why people post parity (PAR2) files .

Indeed some people do, but the majority of uploaders don't. Torrents are most definitely the way forward, in terms of technology. Instead of 100MB .rar files that you have to download & input the password and put together manually, torrents use 4MB or so chunks downloaded through encryption, that get CRC checked, and assembled all automatically, and there are even some modifications that allow you to stream media directly from torrents, providing the connections are good.

Meatball · 3 Sep 2008 at 18:39

Slashiem said:
Personally ISP's never gave a toss about illegally downloading and now that large media companies like music and film organisation companies and UN have told they will be fined for their customers downloading illegally.
Personally it is my internet conenction i can do what the **** i want to do with it.
~Slash

I think ISPs are now starting to give a toss. Not only are companies breathing down their necks to monitor traffic but they're constantly fighting a losing battle with bandwidth usage on their network. Less illegall downloading = less bandwidth used = the ability to cram more users onto their network.

flinco · 3 Sep 2008 at 18:42

blix said:
Probably the only way they can make a profit from their crap game.

asim18 · 3 Sep 2008 at 19:01

Heofz said:
Instead of 100MB .rar files that you have to download & input the password and put together manually

I don't know what u been smokin, but you don't manually join them together, winrar does it automatically.
Also, what's wrong with copying and pasting a password, if you get guaranteed super fast downloads with rapidshare?
...unlike public torrents.

personally, I'd rate Private Torrent sites and Rapidshare as the best way of downloading stuff.

Heofz · 3 Sep 2008 at 20:53

asim18 said:
I don't know what u been smokin, but you don't manually join them together, winrar does it automatically.

You know what I mean. You have to open winrar and then extract them, making sure you have all the parts, whereas with torrents you don't mess around with joining parts together. Once the download is finished you have the file you want and that's it. No extraction needed.

mattyfez · 3 Sep 2008 at 21:17

Meatball said:
I think ISPs are now starting to give a toss. Not only are companies breathing down their necks to monitor traffic but they're constantly fighting a losing battle with bandwidth usage on their network. Less illegall downloading = less bandwidth used = the ability to cram more users onto their network.

ISP's shouldnt be selling bandwith that they dont have, hence everyone slagging off normal ADSL connections, ADSL2+ LLU FTW

Angilion · 3 Sep 2008 at 21:26

LordSplodge said:
Who is going to recover a drive that has had its platters smashed into little bits? Is it even possible, assuming the platters are smashed up rather than just bent? I very much doubt you could especially with glass platters!

How about a format and smash?

It is possible, but you need a skilled person to examine each piece with extremely expensive equipment. It takes a lot of time and money. Which is why I said no-one would bother unless the data was very important.

Angilion · 3 Sep 2008 at 21:36

mattyfez said:
ISP's shouldnt be selling bandwith that they dont have, hence everyone slagging off normal ADSL connections, ADSL2+ LLU FTW

ISPs are all selling bandwidth they don't have. If they didn't, they'd have to start charging by bandwidth used, which would reduce piracy far more effectively than any law. Light users are currently paying for the bandwidth used by heavy users.

mattyfez · 3 Sep 2008 at 21:49

Angilion said:
ISPs are all selling bandwidth they don't have. If they didn't, they'd have to start charging by bandwidth used, which would reduce piracy far more effectively than any law. Light users are currently paying for the bandwidth used by heavy users.

exqueeze me?

what?

Mine dosent, "light" (noob) users buy "tinternet packages" with big numbers attached to them.

Light users do not pay for extra bandwith, they just get ripped off, LOL

edgedemon · 3 Sep 2008 at 22:04

Angilion said:
ISPs are all selling bandwidth they don't have. If they didn't, they'd have to start charging by bandwidth used, which would reduce piracy far more effectively than any law. Light users are currently paying for the bandwidth used by heavy users.

Very true, hence contention ratios and an ultimately unsustainable business model. I was at an OFCOM lecture earlier this year where they were discussing the future of the internet and it was confidently predicted that we would either be moved to much higher charging or metered bandwidth. It was mentioned that in order to get the telco's to invest in high speed fibre networks, OFCOM would have to guarantee a business climate that would allow the operators to make a decent profit..