Dog Dies While Cop Detains Owner

Johnnytoxic said:
Animals can love. My dog found the energy to wag it's tail knowing full well it wasn't to get food or go walkies or anything. Just happy to see us.
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Ok, keep telling yourself that. This is the thing with people - they want to personify things that aren't human.

When you can walk into a vets and see your really ill dog in a cage living it's last day with no energy to eat/drink or move and you walk in and see the reaction
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Yeah, it is classical conditioning. Just like the rats that would happily almost/kill themselves struggling over an electric grid to get a food containing a pleasure drug.

Maybe you should get a dog and find out for yourself a dog doesn't play just to get food, water and shelter.
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I have had at least one dog all of my life, that is my experience. And my scientific basis for what I say comes from a Vet, my own research and studies into 'intelligence' at University.
 
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JimpsEd said:
BS. If an adult dog had the same intelligence as a baby, the dog would be able to acquire the same skills and cognitive ability as a baby can in a year.

You're probably wrongly referring to experience and knowledge as 'intelligence'. Our unlimited capacity for intelligence is what sets us apart from every other species.
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A dog does have the same intelligence as a baby. A newborn is incredibly stupid, the brain just isn't developed enough. It takes a great many years for a human child to develop to a level where proper high-level cognition can take place. Even 5 year olds have major misunderstandings and mis beliefs. It is common for young children to have misconsptions of the world, babies have no understanding of object persistence (i a moving object disappears behind an obstacle and reappears on the other side a baby will believe it is a brand new object and that the old object simply disappeared., when a baby shuts its eyes it no longer believes the visual world it previously sensed still exists.

And you have your argument the wrong way round. A dog learns more skills much faster than a human baby.Human babies are renowned as the slowest developers in the animal kingdom. As such, almost every animal will overtake a human baby in intelligence for at least a limited time. The difference is that babies will continue to develop intelligent skills and reasoning for the next 20-25 years, and more, while a dog will stop after ~9 months - but for those ~9 months a dog is more intelligent.
 
Johnnytoxic said:
Then why didn't this Lion eat this Human
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Ahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Hahahahahahahahaha, hahahahahahaha.

Sorry, but using this video and case as evidence to my contrary is highly amusing :D

To offer just some answers to the question;

(1) Suppressed hunting instinct with no mother to learn from
(2) Suppressed hunting instinct because the cub had wrongly impressioned upon the owner as its mother
(3) Because the lion was trained (conditioned) otherwise
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JimpsEd said:
Ahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Hahahahahahahahaha, hahahahahahaha.

Sorry, but using this video and case as evidence to my contrary is highly amusing :D

To offer just some answers to the question;

(1) Suppressed hunting instinct with no mother to learn from
(2) Suppressed hunting instinct because the cub had wrongly impressioned upon the owner as its mother
(3) Because the lion was trained (conditioned) otherwise
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No personal attacks - Gilly. Why didn't the Lions companion who wasn't brought up by humans not use its natural instinct and eat them ?
 
I can't comprehend which retarded University this guy went to and got his factual evidence. Oh please link me to a study that says animals can't love. In that case why do all animals nurture their young. Why would they bother if they wouldn't give a crap.
 
Love is just a word created by man to describe a strong feeling of attraction and loyalty to someone. Its not crazy to say a dog can love a person, not in the same way that a person loves another person but there is something there. Anyone who has a dog would tell you that I'm sure?
 
Fergie said:
Love is just a word created by man to describe a strong feeling of attraction and loyalty to someone. Its not crazy to say a dog can love a person, not in the same way that a person loves another person but there is something there. Anyone who has a dog would tell you that I'm sure?
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Nope the guy above has evidence of this apparently lol.
 
Johnnytoxic said:
I can't comprehend which retarded University this guy went to and got his factual evidence. Oh please link me to a study that says animals can't love. In that case why do all animals nurture their young. Why would they bother if they wouldn't give a crap.
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Evolutionary instinct - survival of the species.
 
JimpsEd said:
Evolutionary instinct - survival of the species.
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I thought you would say that. I would go to the doctors and ask him diagnose you with autism as you seem to be scared of love.

Do humans really love, is it not just a chemical inbalance? When you look at things the way you do what it comes down to is a bunch of electrons, protons and nucleases. How are these capable of love?
 
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Johnnytoxic said:
I thought you would say that. I would go to the doctors and ask him diagnose you with autism as you seem to be scared of love.
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No, I am just sensible and rational. Do you really think mummy bird is all like "Aww my cute little babies! Let me go get you food and feed you because you are so cute", and not just to ensure they have a good fighting chance as youths until they get stronger?

If you do, then you need to grow up. Nature is vicious, cold and harsh.
 
JimpsEd said:
If you do, then you need to grow up. Nature is vicious, cold and harsh.
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I agree with you there. I have watched far to many nature documentaries and when people say nature is beautiful I say NO. It's a warzone out there with animals eating each other alive everyday. I've also seen lion cubs playing messing around for fun just like humans.

Why could they have the emotion of fun and not love.
 
Again, you are turning chemical balances into emotions - personifying something which isn't human.

For the cubs, it is 'fun' up to the point that their brain is releasing dopamine, or some other stimulant. For us, 'fun' is an emotional state (as well as the release of dopamine).
 
JimpsEd said:
Again, you are turning chemical balances into emotions - personifying something which isn't human.

For the cubs, it is 'fun' up to the point that their brain is releasing dopamine, or some other stimulant. For us, 'fun' is an emotional state (as well as the release of dopamine).
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Can you tell me more of this "emotional state" that only humans can experience. What happens or are there no explanations for this? I don't think any scientist fully understands what goes on in the brain. Thats why their called theories and not fact.
 
EvilDreams said:
Especially the owner's case? His irresponsibly may well have also cost him the life of his dog. An indifferent owner or some complete stranger tasked with taking the same dog to the vet probably wouldn't have sped, and might well have got to the vet's in time, given the extra 15 minutes the owner wasted by behaving irrationally. The responsibility for the dog's death in my opinion lies as much with its owner as it does with the police officer. Does this mean the owner is an animal hater who wants animals to suffer?
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I've already said this, but how can you blame him for being like that? If say, something or someone you loved was dying in your car, and you were driving them to get help, would you not be in a similar state? Especially if some inconsiderate insensitive ***** of a police officer pulled you over and clearly didn't give a care in the world about you, the situation you are in, and the dying life of that thing you care about, saying things like "Oh it's just a *blank* you can get another one"

You cannot blame people for acting like that in such a situation, the vast majority of people would be the same, completely engulfed in emotion unable to think or act calmly. It's not like he DECIDED to act like that.

JimpsEd said:
Again, you are turning chemical balances into emotions - personifying something which isn't human.

For the cubs, it is 'fun' up to the point that their brain is releasing dopamine, or some other stimulant. For us, 'fun' is an emotional state (as well as the release of dopamine).
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So what's this magical emotional state in humans you talk about? It's no different. It's just balances of chemicals in the brain, just like in animals, although more complex, which is to be expected since our brains are more complex.
 
KittensCake said:
I've already said this, but how can you blame him for being like that? If say, something or someone you loved was dying in your car, and you were driving them to get help, would you not be in a similar state? Especially if some inconsiderate insensitive ***** of a police officer pulled you over and clearly didn't give a care in the world about you, the situation you are in, and the dying life of that thing you care about, saying things like "Oh it's just a *blank* you can get another one"

You cannot blame people for acting like that in such a situation, the vast majority of people would be the same, completely engulfed in emotion unable to think or act calmly. It's not like he DECIDED to act like that.



So what's this magical emotional state in humans you talk about? It's no different. It's just balances of chemicals in the brain, just like in animals, although more complex, which is to be expected since our brains are more complex.
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Are you a girl?
 
KittensCake said:
I've already said this, but how can you blame him for being like that? If say, something or someone you loved was dying in your car, and you were driving them to get help, would you not be in a similar state?
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No cause I'd have called a ****ing ambulance.

If it was an animal I'd try and get it to a vets/ a vet come to me, but i wouldn;t risk my life or anyone elses to do it.
 
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