Two must see Warhammer Online Vids...

Of course any new MMO is going to be compared to WOW. It is the market leader. Much like it used to be EQ that everything was compared to when it was market leader. The good thing is that Mythic have always stated that they are not out to beat WoW and have no intentions of trying. They are building a different game with a different focus.

Because i NEVER experienced any of these issues. My first server was Earthen Ring.

Were you playing from launch? My first server was also Earthen Ring (currently on Darkmoon Faire) and I distinctly remember some pretty awful queues and horrendous lag for the first few weeks.

That said it was still the second best MMO launch I have been involved with. (The first being City of Heroes, which was almost flawless as far as launch goes).
 
The stuff your refering too is Blizzards "6 servers will be enough" launch idea and 5 million people cramming into 6 servers, that will cause the issues your talking about. Can you blame Blizzard for making too few servers, sure, but when you look back, they had no idea how big the game would get, so its understandable at why the launch was messy.

It wasnt just at launch, I'd say it was a good couple of years before the servers are as stable as they are now.
 
you last remark is kinda silly though, I mean personally I find Half life 2 one of the best fps games I have played loved every aspec of the game, Doesnt mean i compare every other fps game to it. It also means i dont restrict myself to that one game. (Btw this is just an expression :) )

Not really. Everyone has a benchmark game they compare everything to.

WoW is my MMO comparison. If its not more fun then it, why bother playing anything else?

Example Freelancer is my favourite space shooter, so when ever i demo a new one, i compare it to that.
 
I take things as they come and judge them on their own merits. Seems a bit limited to hold one thing as an absolute and always compare everything to that.
The thing with WAR is that it is too different to WOW to make fair comparissons. I don't think people realise from videos alone how fundamentally different they are outside of aesthetics.
While I can respect someone who has tried a game and prefers something else, I find it hard to understand people who are unwilling to try something new due to a felt allegiance to a company whose sole purpose is profit (rather than some ideological goal). Horses for courses and all that.
Although in my pre-10 era I was quite the nintendo fanboy and argued with sega fans :p
 
Not really. Everyone has a benchmark game they compare everything to.

WoW is my MMO comparison. If its not more fun then it, why bother playing anything else?

Example Freelancer is my favourite space shooter, so when ever i demo a new one, i compare it to that.

So your saying you only ever buy another game when its better than one you currently own.
So you only play one fps one RTS one driving game etc etc.
 
In regards to MMO's yes. Whats the point in paying 3-5 subscriptions?

Because the games may offer completely different play experiences? Much the same as why own Supreme Commander and Company Of Heroes. Both RTS games, both good games, both very different to each other.

No, but single players are different to MMO's

Not really, the same reasons could apply. If two different MMOs offer two different but enjoyable game experiences.
 
Because the games may offer completely different play experiences? Much the same as why own Supreme Commander and Company Of Heroes. Both RTS games, both good games, both very different to each other.

They probably would, but that's what the free month trial is for. I would only ever have 1 subscription active for a MMO at one time.
 
Edited your post.

Well dont!

It was a lot not just a few, but I guess if you were on a decent server you wouldnt have experienced the pain. But you were putting the problems down to a more successful than expected launch, and I'm pointing out that it took them ages to sort out not just a launch issue.

Sorry for dragging this thread off track.
 
tbh i forgot what the hell this thread was about now :p

Teki arguing that WAR is worse than WOW! jk :p

To get back on subject, did anyone find any other videos worth watching? The vids from wall of text are nice but i'd like to see others !
 
hehe :p

tbh not sure on videos the first two on this thread where ok gave you a little look to the classes.
If you check warhammeralliance forums theres quite a few dotted about there you might have to have a little dig as that forum is jam packed full of info.
 
I wouldnt class my self as any fanboy personally. Considering at one point i was ready to leave and join AoC while i was Beta testing it.

It's more to do with the fact that there is NO other mmo with as much polish, stability and enjoyment factor on the market today to beat WoW.

I have so much faith in Blizzard for making amazing games, that this will be the case when WotLK launches and even then it'll be hard to come close to the enjoyment of WoW.

The only game that will make any kind of impact on its playerbase will be another game made by Blizzard.

So if I'm a fanboy of anything, it would be over Blizzard and personally i don't feel like that should be considered a bad thing in anyway.

Hmm that is YOUR personnal opinion imo. Did you play mmos like Uo or DAOC? I really would not say that those games did not have as much polish or stability. These two games are the best mmos hand down i ever played.

Wow is only sucessfull because it was the last (real) mmo released in the past few years and that it had a lot of hype around it, being made by Blizzard(that i really like i must say), when UO was released there weren't enough player for it to get as much as an impact. But still this game had the best ideas i have ever seen in a mmo.

I played wow in beta, and at start(think i must have been one of the first from Switzerland to log in and create a char, that was at like 3am when they first opened the server). I got rapidly bored because, for me at least, wow is really linear, you just do quests till max level, then either raid the same old dungeons or pvp. I find wow pvp really bad and i've always been a pvper(in UO PK, anti-PK and in DAOC well... RvR was a blast in fixed teams) so it was a major let down, then they introduced the arenas, i though that was a nice idea, until i noticed it just became a "Hope the team you are going to face is not a combo you can't beat AND that they have not better gear than you or you are going to lose". I will not even speak about BGs, that is just boring, more comparable to a CS game than to an actual MMO.

I don't think WotLK will change anything, the same players that are on WoW at the moment will continue their grind to get 10 more levels and then the raid/pvp loop will settle back in place. But this time players will have more choice to make than just choose between Wow and no MMO.

I think you are a bit too confident that WoW will never die, EVERY mmo EVER made always ended by losing its population, that is a fact, UO EQ1 DAOC etc.. for all of them it was the same scenario. Saying that Wow will only lose people when Blizzard releases another game is really optimistic, they are not god on earth, sure they make really good games but i doubt they are the only company able to release a good mmo.

Well you can be a Blizzard fanboy all you want, but then let me be a WAR fanboy will you ? :D I guess i must have as much faith in Mythic than you do in Blizzard, the only difference is that Mythic are on their second MMO and maybe that gives them a bit of a headstart. Also don't forget that most MMO players at the moment seems to want PvE because that is all Wow offers properly, i for one prefer Pvp in an mmo and i can't wait to try War!

Sorry for the lengthy post but i'm bored at work hehe!
 
Hmm that is YOUR personnal opinion imo. Did you play mmos like Uo or DAOC? I really would not say that those games did not have as much polish or stability. These two games are the best mmos hand down i ever played.

Yeah i played UO and as i said in the UO thread, its the greatest MMO I've ever played.

Wow is only sucessfull because it was the last (real) mmo released in the past few years and that it had a lot of hype around it, being made by Blizzard(that i really like i must say), when UO was released there weren't enough player for it to get as much as an impact. But still this game had the best ideas i have ever seen in a mmo.

It wasnt just the amount of players that made it what it is, it borrrowed ideas from all previous MMO's and just polished them.

I played wow in beta, and at start(think i must have been one of the first from Switzerland to log in and create a char, that was at like 3am when they first opened the server). I got rapidly bored because, for me at least, wow is really linear, you just do quests till max level, then either raid the same old dungeons or pvp. I find wow pvp really bad and i've always been a pvper(in UO PK, anti-PK and in DAOC well... RvR was a blast in fixed teams) so it was a major let down, then they introduced the arenas, i though that was a nice idea, until i noticed it just became a "Hope the team you are going to face is not a combo you can't beat AND that they have not better gear than you or you are going to lose". I will not even speak about BGs, that is just boring, more comparable to a CS game than to an actual MMO.

But every MMO once you reach max level is the same.

I don't think WotLK will change anything, the same players that are on WoW at the moment will continue their grind to get 10 more levels and then the raid/pvp loop will settle back in place. But this time players will have more choice to make than just choose between Wow and no MMO.

If you read my WoTLK thread and other imformation webistes around, there adding so much more content that it'll keep me personally interested for at least another year or 2.

I think you are a bit too confident that WoW will never die, EVERY mmo EVER made always ended by losing its population, that is a fact, UO EQ1 DAOC etc.. for all of them it was the same scenario. Saying that Wow will only lose people when Blizzard releases another game is really optimistic, they are not god on earth, sure they make really good games but i doubt they are the only company able to release a good mmo.

Alright some fair points, but since WoW was release, name me a game that has the potential to beat it? Because currently no one has made a dent on there subscription numbers.

I'm extremely confident in Blizzard, all the games they make are superb. There next gen mmo there making will no doubt be release once WoW starts to loose its population and then people will then move from WoW to this new blizzard mmo. As stated by 100's of gaming professionals, there is no game on the market or coming onto the market within the next year that can make any kind of impact on WoW.

Well you can be a Blizzard fanboy all you want, but then let me be a WAR fanboy will you ? :D I guess i must have as much faith in Mythic than you do in Blizzard, the only difference is that Mythic are on their second MMO and maybe that gives them a bit of a headstart. Also don't forget that most MMO players at the moment seems to want PvE because that is all Wow offers properly, i for one prefer Pvp in an mmo and i can't wait to try War!

Be what ever you want, but Blizzard has a bit more experiancing making ground breaking games then Mythic, Blizzard isnt owned by the money grabbing EA and last but not least, Blizzard has 3x the fans then Mythic and not just because of WoW. This is why i have more faith in them.

WAR will fill the Niche market it wants to fill, even Mythic have stated there not out to beat WoW. This game will just be another EVE. It'll carry on living its life, making no impact on the world and slowly fizzle out. All i can say is WAR will take some WoW players, granted. But as soon as they release like they did with AoC that it doesnt have the finish WoW has, they'll come back.
 
Be what ever you want, but Blizzard has a bit more experiancing making ground breaking games then Mythic,

Ground breaking? You already admitted yourself that WoW isn't ground breaking. It was more of the same very well polished. Which was a very good thing and something the MMO market needed to mature. But it is hardly ground breaking. DAoC though was actually something quite different when it came out.


Blizzard isnt owned by the money grabbing EA and last but not least, Blizzard has 3x the fans then Mythic and not just because of WoW.

Very poor arguement. Blizzard/Vivendi/Activision are out to make money just as much as EA. Don't let product loyalty blind you to that truth.
 
WAR will fill the Niche market it wants to fill, even Mythic have stated there not out to beat WoW. This game will just be another EVE. It'll carry on living its life, making no impact on the world and slowly fizzle out. All i can say is WAR will take some WoW players, granted. But as soon as they release like they did with AoC that it doesnt have the finish WoW has, they'll come back.

You cant really predict what will happen though, War may become just as succesfull as World of Warcraft it just depends what players will get from the experience and if they can hold on to it long enough.

Warcraft will nearly always attract people who like PvE and dungeon raiding where as War is not really aimed at PvE its mroe of a PvP game so its a differant league of MMORPG really as they are targeting a differant audience of MMO players.

I played Warcraft for about 2 and a half years, managed to get 1/2 way through Naxxramas, nearly through Ahn'Quiraj and completed all other dungeon's pre tbc and i eventually realised i loved the raiding side of it, but the hours of consumable grinding and repair money grinding i did made me loose so much respect for the game because its not what i found fun.

I really do hope War or some MMO makes a dint in Blizzards money maker as they need a kick in the teeth to realise their are a lot of "not fun" aspects of their game that need to be improved upon rather than releasing new dungeons.

Very poor arguement. Blizzard/Vivendi/Activision are out to make money just as much as EA. Don't let product loyalty blind you to that truth.

Exactly, All MMO's just want your money, blizzard charging you to change realm/name change and for it to cost so much, £25 for an expansion as well.
 
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