I don't like teachers

I worked in 2 schools and know 4 others schools well due to my friends and family. I know not all schools are the same but the ones I know are like that. Perhaps I am just lucky and have always been in the better schools. When extra staff are needed they come in for us. But really you're not going lose every free period every week as a teacher. Surly you don't have that many sick staff!!! Sometimes you do get the odd bad week where you lose all paper work time but that shouldnt be common. Anyway more and more paperwork is offloaded to TA's. EDIT: Sometimes the support staff lose more paper work time then the teachers.

Not suggesting you lose every free period.
 
Quote button, please use.

Best of luck with that but I think Pottsey is much happier not using the quote button because this point has been raised before.

As for teachers, some are nice, some aren't. Most that I know are nice people trying to do a hard job. If you think it is easy and just done between the hours of 8:30 and 3:30 then I'd suggest you haven't got a full appreciation of what it involves. Evan Esar put it well with "America believes in education: the average professor earns more money in a year than a professional athlete earns in a whole week.".
 
Judging by the appalling grammar & spelling seen regularly on this forum & countless others it seems that teachers aren't doing a very good job.
Ever watched teachers appearing on TV in quiz shows? mostly they make a fool of themselves with low scores for general knowledge, it's a fact.
Of the main professions they get the best deal compared to police & firemen etc who risk their lives & get just 4 or 5 weeks paid holiday depending on service length
 
TriedandTested said "Are you a qualified teacher or not?"
No I am not a qualified teacher yet. My school is paying for me to get qualified. But I have seen enough to know what a teacher does. I hear the teacher comments about doing a few extra hours the past few weeks so they can take the full summer holidays off without doing any work. I see the supply teachers coming in so the teacher have free time. I see more and more paper work being handed down for TA's to do as Teachers are now meant to teach not do paperwork. Which still isn't good enough there is still a stupid amount of paperwork. (H&S paperwork is amoung the worst in my mind)

I do more than just help in lessons I fully take lessons and do the paper work to go with it. I know a lot more about teacher jobs then most teachers do about support jobs which puts me in a good position to compare both roles.

EDIT: Although I am talking in generic terms far to much as an IT teacher is not like a CD&T teacher, As for support staff IT tech change a lot per school let alone other admin staff. A report writer support staff member won't have anywhere near the workload of a teacher. So when I said teachers have it easyer then support staff I was wrong. It depends on the support staff and school.

So which types of teachers get the worst paperwork? Are PE teachers better off or worse then IT? What do others think?
 
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"and about three times as many holidays as anyone else."
They don't get paid for all those holidays plus they are force to take holydays when trips cost the most.

I have children of school age and because the school won't let them have holidays outside the school allocated ones, I'm forced to take them when holidays cost the most , just like everyone else who has children, so excuse me while I cry for the teachers.
 
For a start every lesson has to be planned, including what they're going to do and how to follow on later keeping with the curriculum. Also with this they have to set and mark homework, attend various staff and parent meetings, in some cases manage yeargroups/subjects.

Tell me about it.
For the last 2 weeks I have worked 8 hours a day on lesson plans and I've only gone through the first 4 weeks of a 14 week term and I start teaching on September 8th.
This means that I will definitely have to do lesson plans at home and of course there is the work to mark and keeping records on 66 students.

The thing about the lesson planning and suchlike is that it can be done once, then used year after year... until the syllabus changes of course.

This hopefully will be the case.


Teachers pay -
Here in Stoke teachers get a salary and its divided by 12 and they don't get paid for working until midnight.
My wife has been a teacher for 12 years so she should know how it works.
 
TriedandTested said "Are you a qualified teacher or not?"
No I am not a qualified teacher yet. My school is paying for me to get qualified. But I have seen enough to know what a teacher does. I hear the teacher comments about doing a few extra hours the past few weeks so they can take the full summer holidays off without doing any work. I see the supply teachers coming in so the teacher have free time. I see more and more paper work being handed down for TA's to do as Teachers are now meant to teach not do paperwork. Which still isn't good enough there is still a stupid amount of paperwork. (H&S paperwork is amoung the worst in my mind)

I do more than just help in lessons I fully take lessons and do the paper work to go with it. I know a lot more about teacher jobs then most teachers do about support jobs which puts me in a good position to compare both roles.

You're seeing it from you're job in your role. One person's opinion of their job can be different to anothers you know. What is the point your trying to say btw. Did you see my nive use of the quote button there :)
 
I have children of school age and because the school won't let them have holidays outside the school allocated ones, I'm forced to take them when holidays cost the most , just like everyone else who has children, so excuse me while I cry for the teachers.

Thats not true. You can take them out. Lets not over dramatise eh!
 
brummie said "i dont believe you know any teachers from that statement.
School staffing is based on budgets. Cant just arrange extra staff."

I worked in 2 schools and know 4 others schools well due to my friends and family. I know not all schools are the same but the ones I know are like that. Perhaps I am just lucky and have always been in the better schools. When extra staff are needed they come in for us. But really you're not going lose every free period every week as a teacher. Surly you don't have that many sick staff!!! Sometimes you do get the odd bad week where you lose all paper work time but that shouldnt be common. Anyway more and more paperwork is offloaded to TA's. EDIT: Sometimes the support staff lose more paper work time then the teachers.

My experience shows a very different story. Cover staff are only used as a very last resort, that is if no other permanent staff member can cover because of teaching. That is the case throughout all schools I know in Southampton.

As for getting a whole summer off, that's simply not the case for all the teachers I know of.

The thing about the lesson planning and suchlike is that it can be done once, then used year after year... until the syllabus changes of course.

You have no idea how often this happens. Course materials for one year group or various courses are reworked EVERY year without fail, which is a very time consuming exercise.

Then there's the endless marking, reports, moderation, training, government initiative, meetings, planning and everything else.

Burnsy
 
But really you're not going lose every free period every week as a teacher. Surly you don't have that many sick staff!!! Sometimes you do get the odd bad week where you lose all paper work time but that shouldnt be common. Anyway more and more paperwork is offloaded to TA's. EDIT: Sometimes the support staff lose more paper work time then the teachers.

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so 3 x45min-1hour slots is enough, to do all lesson plans, planning, research, marking, school reports and everything else please.

The only paper work that teachers have started to of load is the stupid red tape stuff that isn't directly involved in lessons.
 
TriedandTested said What course are you on? What qualification are you going for?
2 year Foundation Degree in Learning and Teaching which is nice as counts the hours I do in school. It's too late for me to remember the details, I can get them tomorrow. Though its only the start of a long path to becoming a fully qualified teacher. I need to do at least 1 more year after that or was it 3, not been thinking about it over the holiday. If anything is going let me down its going be my English skills.




jojothemonkey69 said " What is the point your trying to say btw."
I personally believe teachers have it relatively easy compared to none education jobs and many teachers make their job sound much worse then it is.

My point is that most teachers and to an extent TA's full into 1 of two groups in my opinion. Group 1 have worked outside education in so called real jobs, these teachers for the most part seem to realise how good they have it. (not easy, but good)

Group 2 have never worked outside education and are always complaining about little things, thinking they have it super hard and don't realise how good they have it. More often then not the teachers with attitude problems fall into group 2. The ones who see them self as better than everyone else, who speak to other adults as though they are children and who don't value or worse think support Staff are slaves. Often this group think they are highly qualified and no one else is who isn't a teacher.

That is just my opinion on what I have seen. It's not fact, just based on seeing both jobs and other schools. Clearly some people don't fall into one of the 2 groups. I also think some support staff have it harder than some teachers and the support staff are underpaid and sometimes unvalued depending on the school. I am lucky as the teachers I work with treat support staff with respect and as equals but many schools have a Us and them attitude (teaching staff and none teaching staff). It's far too common for teachers to act like they are better then everyone else. Just look at the TES Forums.


AcidHell2 said "so 3 x45min-1hour slots is enough, to do all lesson plans, planning, research, marking, school reports and everything else please."
If it's not, speak to your head and arrange more free time as your overworked, or training on better ways to handle the work load, doesnt you school have a staff training budget? A teaching should not have to regularly (daily) take work home and work all night.
All I can say is the teachers I work with are mostly ok. I know some worked for a bit before the holiday then had nothing to take home for the holiday. Lesson plans, planning is fast and easy with the right computer programs depending on your group. Marking now that does take time but I never had problem fitting it in the slots I had.





Burnsy2023 said "endless marking, reports, moderation, training, government initiative, meetings, planning and everything else."
Which is not that different from many other jobs. You could argue someone in IT support has way more paperwork then a teacher and needs to do far more training and keep up with new qualifications. The support staff don't get giving 3 x45min-1hour slots to do it all and they get paied far less. Some support staff have just as high sometimes higher qualifications then teachers, have the same or more workload but get paied half as much or less.
 
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The thing about the lesson planning and suchlike is that it can be done once, then used year after year... until the syllabus changes of course.

No you can't, they have to do it every year cos of offsted ect. People really do comment on Teachers lazyness before they understand it all. Being a teacher is one of the hardest, most time consuming, stressfull jobs out there.

Burnsy2023 said "endless marking, reports, moderation, training, government initiative, meetings, planning and everything else."
Which is not that different from many other jobs. You could argue someone in IT support has way more paperwork then a teacher and needs to do far more training and keep up with new qualifications. The support staff don't get giving 3 x45min-1hour slots to do it all and they get paied far less. Some support staff have just as high sometimes higher qualifications then teachers, have the same or more workload but get paied half as much or less.

LOL NO
 
No you can't, they have to do it every year cos of offsted ect. People really do comment on Teachers lazyness before they understand it all. Being a teacher is one of the hardest, most time consuming, stressfull jobs out there.

I've heard that 1 in 4 teachers are on anti-depressives.
Don't know how true that is.
 
I've heard that 1 in 4 teachers are on anti-depressives.
Don't know how true that is.

It could well be true, it also sucks you in, my mum has teached for 26 years, when she got an 'average' mark for the first time ever in her career as a teacher off ofsted she wouldn't stop going on about it for the next month.
 
Urmm, well I know from what I've seen in secondary education that stuff is reused every year (although the new AS levels are being introduced now ;s).

I see the training and meetings that go on, I have to attend all sorts of those kinda things, especially meetings on stupid initiatives... like the enterprise thing the management always seem to bang on about now :|.

Stuff is re-used, but the planning to re-use that stuff in the lessson still has to be new :)
 
I've developed a bit of a dislike of teachers after a few incidents I've had with them recently. I'm an engineer and I've done a bit of work in and around various schools over the last few months. This has given me my first contact with teachers since leaving school 8 years ago. (EDIT - for clarity this contact has been on a one to one basis when there have been no children around.)

I noticed very quickly that they speak to people in a very different way to the rest of society. They insisted on speaking to me like I was a child, even to the point that they introdiced themselves as 'Mr', 'Mrs', 'Miss' etc rather than their first names. I don't even call my Managing Director 'Mr MD' so there was no way I was calling them anything other than their real names, which they didn't seem to like at all.

I also don't understand why they get a 9-3.30 working day (and many of them DO work these hours - I've seen the cars driving away) and about three times as many holidays as anyone else.

On top of this it's about as secure a job as you could get - a teacher getting sacked is so rare that it makes the press. Yet from everyone's experience as a child we all know that there are so so many terrible teachers out there. I think that a main purpose of an education is to prepare children for life in the real world. How can teachers do this when the majority of them have never been outside the academic environment?

I think my dislike comes partly from the attitude they seem to develop and partly from jealousy about their cushy working lives.

Does anyone else share similar feelings? Can any teachers tell me why I'm wrong?

Both my parents are teachers, one of them a head teacher. From what I can see and have heard from many many many conversations over dinner - teaching is an EXTREMELY stressful job. 90% of the teachers from my high school/middle school and 6th form are/have been the most pleasant, caring and down to earth people I have met in my life. I really cant agree with what you've said mate.

Infact I lie! 5 years ago my dad retired on ill health due to his job (stress) - teaching is one of the most stressful jobs that exists on this planet and its one of the most time consuming. My mum barely has time for me and my sister when she gets home from work, because of the sheer amount of work that teachers have to do outside of school.
 
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Still at school. Got some good teachers, some absolutely diabolical teachers as well though. You know the type that you want to tell them where to 'get tae'.
 
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