I don't like teachers

checjb said"As for the comments that teachers have enough admin time that "any decently organised teacher doesn't need to work from home", that really is just a complete crock and simply isn't born out by"
I agree. If that's at my comments, most people seemed to have missed the bit that said daily. Organised teacher doesn't need to work from home every single day is what I said. I did put every day in there for a reason. Yet people are taking it as I said don't work from home at all. All I am saying is it's not as bad as some make it out, like the one who say you get 4 hours sleep a night.

TriedandTested I am doing everything within the rules. As for the course its only for people already working in schools which might be why you haven't heard it.
 
I've been a teacher for 10 years, before that I was an engineer. I taught maths then changed to ICT.

My opinioin:
* the holidays are good; I don't work much during them,
* the money is now not bad. As a head of department (but not through the threshold) I was earning £36k last time I worked in the UK (4 years ago) and thought that was pretty good
* teachers are a bit funny. They don't communicate with adults very well. Few of my friends are teachers

I have taught in two 'average to good' UK schools and found:
* British kids are horrible to teach
* in term time teachers are very overworked
* both schools had stories of teachers that had gone bonkers through stress

As far as qualifications are concerned, teachers are not always qualified to teach the classes they take. This is because of acute shortages in some subjects and also because a teaching qualification in one subject allows you to then teach any subject in the same age group. You can also switch age groups but that is less common.

I read somewhere that the average IQ for a teacher is 110, which is 10 points higher than average. That does ring true when I think of colleagues.

I'm happy to be candid about teachers and teaching if anyone is interested.
 
slambo69 said:
I dont like people who call themselves engineers when they are just technicians, what is it you do?
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I'm in something of the unique position whereby my job title is Systems Engineer. Technically speaking I have engineered systems, although I don't have engineer qualifications. So if people ask I say I'm an engineer, if it's anyone I feel inclined to explain it to then I go into a little more detail.
 
I worked (as Support Staff) in school and to some extent I agree with Big_White_dog.

Out of the teaching staff at my school (a poor performing Inner City school) there was a rough 60/40 split.

60% of the teachers treated everybody who wan "non-teaching" staff like children (Support Staff normally got a rough deal), nor did they really plan lessons apart from downloading boiler-plate templates. Same with start and finish times - they arrived at 8:20 and almost ran for the door at 3:15.

I cannot speak for how much work they do during the holidays but my sister-in-law's fiancée is a English teacher and he does a little work during the holidays but not much.

Some teachers work hard, try to get the kids to perform but I am affraid that my experience has coloured my view somewhat of teachers and it isn't helped by the fact that my wife was treated in a similar way in a brass band that was mostly teachers. So badly in fact that despite her enjoying the hobby she had to quit.

You cannot tar all teachers with the same brush but my experience and that of my wife's says what Big_White_Dog experienced is more common than people would expect.
 
big_white_dog84 said:
Cry more.
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You are definitely wrong! Teaching is not an easy job; trying to control 20 - 30 children for hours every day is VERY stressful. Most parents struggle to do that with one or two kids.

As for cushy working conditions, the holidays are the biggest benefit to being a teacher, and very much needed. Lessons have to planned every day, angry parents who think their kid is special have to be dealt with, we have to act as parents when actual parents fail miserably, books have to marked, etc etc. After all this, we get paid a pittance compared to other professions (and it is a tough profession to get into).

Let's not even forget that if we even breath on a child, we can be suspended and sacked very easily. We can't even break up a fight because touching the students to split them up could be interpreted as inappropriate. It's a constant tight rope that every teacher has to walk. Let's also not forget that school in this day is not very safe; some students have zero respect for elders.

Also, some of us don't want to sit in school and carry on working after the final class. However, that does not mean we don't work at home. Countless hours every night can easily be consumed working at home.

Some teachers do talk down to others, but this is more a result of having to deal with bad mannered, badly raised children AND parents year after year, who never support us and offer such stupid uneducated opinions as your own.

/disgruntled teacher who loves his job, but is sick of such rubbish as stated in the OP.
 
* ICT teacher waves! :D

Thought I'd chuck my 2 pence into the pot and let others decide whether they feel I'm a nob/I'm over or underpaid/I'm stressed etc

I get to work for 8.10. Get up at 7. First lesson starts at 8.40 and we have briefing twice a week at 8.25. Have to make sure all the folder boxes are out for the day and I've got my lesson plan overview (which is a sheet with brief details of my lessons on) by my desk.

I get 4 planning lessons a week, although I have a day that has 6 periods straight, others 5 and a couple of 4s. We get 30/35 mins for lunch. We finish at 2.55 and 2.05 on Friday - this is a 27 period week.

I leave for home about 3.30 after getting the stuff put away, having a chat and grabbing anything I need to take home. I sometimes take stuff to reprographics for the next day or make sure my resources are printed.

Get home about 4 usually. Do usual when you're a parent. Daughter is in bed for 7, so then I'll sit down for an hour and relax. Between 8 and 9 I'll do my planning, sometimes if I have to make resources it's till 10 or so. I avoid doing anything beyond then. If I couldn't ever fit in what I needed to within this timescale I'd get another job. Sod being a martyr, it doesn't pay enough! :P

If I have a parents evening or reports or coursework, however, I usually forgo more of my own time. If it's parents evening I'm there till 6.30 and then I still have to go home and do the planning I would do ordinarily - thank christ it's only 5 times a year.

First 2 weeks back is bloody bedlam, but then it settles down. This will be my 3rd year teaching so I'm well settled into a routine. I did leave far too much coursework to be marked till over the holidays which has lead me to actually hate my job, but that was my fault. My only other thing I hate is reports. They're pre-written statements you put together and customise, which helps, but half of them get read, half are acted upon and I teach 420 (more this year) individual students as I only see them once a week (compared to a maths teacher who has them 5 times a week).

I kinda miss coming home and forgetting work till the next alarm, but I knew what I was getting in to.
 
Syph said:
I get to work for 8.10.
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We finish at 2.55 and 2.05 on Friday - this is a 27 period week.

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Between 8 and 9 I'll do my planning, sometimes if I have to make resources it's till 10 or so.
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So in short, slighly less than a normal 9-5 job most days?
 
brummie said:
Where did your original idea of profession come, not what it means :rolleyes:
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LOL WUT?

You said that teaching was unique regarding the expectation of taking your work home with you.

I said it wasn't, that most professions had similar expectations these days.

You said, so a bar man takes his work home with him?

I questioned the use of your example of a bar man as a professional.
 
scorza said:
LOL WUT?

You said that teaching was unique regarding the expectation of taking your work home with you.

I said it wasn't, that most professions had similar expectations these days.

You said, so a bar man takes his work home with him?

I questioned the use of your example of a bar man as a professional.
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No, you're wrong.

I said MOST (meaning a high percentage) of our workforce in the UK do not take work home with them.
 
big_white_dog84 said:
I also don't understand why they get a 9-3.30 working day (and many of them DO work these hours - I've seen the cars driving away) and about three times as many holidays as anyone else.
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This is funny. You obviously have no idea just how much work they have to do outside school hours.
 
RDM said:
So in short, slighly less than a normal 9-5 job most days?
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Quite possibly but requiring often 10 times more work and producing one hell of a lot more stress. Some people don't understand what its like to try and control 30 screaming kids for 6 hours a day then going home, marking, working, assessing, planning...

& Brummie - you're just arguing the toss now.
 
RoachycaL said:
Quite possibly but requiring often 10 times more work and producing one hell of a lot more stress. Some people don't understand what its like to try and control 30 screaming kids for 6 hours a day then going home, marking, working, assessing, planning...
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Most people don't understand the stresses of other jobs too what makes teaching so special? Less hours that most, more holidays than most and more pay than most. Most of the decent teachers I know are the ones that have had a bit of experience outside of academia before becoming a teacher, they also seem to be the ones that complain a lot less about their workload...
 
I like teachers.. Expecially the ones with glasses, long hair, tight short skirts and low buttoned blouses.

Yes.. I've been taught by a few :p
 
RDM said:
Most people don't understand the stresses of other jobs too what makes teaching so special? Less hours that most, more holidays than most and more pay than most. Most of the decent teachers I know are the ones that have had a bit of experience outside of academia before becoming a teacher, they also seem to be the ones that complain a lot less about their workload...
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Read my previous posts, I cant be bothered to explain this to yet another person who doesn't know what their talking about.
 
RoachycaL said:
Read my previous posts, I cant be bothered to explain this to yet another person who doesn't know what their talking about.
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Your previous posts don't really explain why the job is so stressful nor do they suggest how you can fit in 10x the work as someone else. You may know about teaching, but you don't seem to know about other jobs and the stresses involved in them or the hours involved in them.

From my experience with friends who are teachers they don't really have that much more of a stressful job than most of my other friends. They do however have considerably more holiday :)
 
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