All New Summer 2008 Transfer Merry Go Round/Rumour Mill

Gooner14 said:
I'm fed up of him trying to give Eboue praise for that goal, it's about the 3rd/4th time he got the 'assist'.

I'm amazed we pushed so hard last year, when 'Flamini wasn't great last year, and Hleb was entirely useless' and 'Adebayor didn't leave, ... deal for a crap player. So basically we played with 8 players.

Rest assured Eboue is one of the best players at the club.... God help us.
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Actually, i'm thinking of the Ajax game, watch it, he started the turn around, he kept going the whole game, only one running and first half, Denilson was def midfield, 2-0 loss, eboue moved from right wing to def midfield, we shut up shop defensively and won the second half 3-0.


Seriously watch a round up of last year, early season flamini played great as a defensive midfielder, Fabregas got into the box more than ever before and was rewarded with 10 goals. Flamini edged further and further fowards all year and Fabregas ended up getting further and further back, I wouldn't care if Flamini started to score with all the time he spent in the box, but he didn't at all. Watch the last dozen games and see who spends more time in and around the box, Fabregas or Flamini, then tell me how massively influencial he was in those games and how many goals he scored and assists he got, thats right, next to none. Likewise, Hleb 4 game run at the beginning of the season where he got a couple goals and a couple assists, rest of the season, same crap as previous seasons, nothing.

Adebayor scored goals because, Fabregas is behind him, nothing more nothing less. in his final several games of the season why not watch the games, he barely has a shot, he doesn't try or bother, there were 3-4 games he didn't have a shot at all in an entire 90 minutes, let alone one on target, the first 3 games of the season he's also barely had any shots on target, and missed a whole bunch of fairly easy chances already.
 
semi-pro waster said:
I'm beginning to think you are the Nickg of Arsenal fans, he isn't quite as unnecessarily wordy but you both appear to revel in being negative towards your club at any opportunity.
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It's not only the negative comments, it's the absolute rubbish he talks. Eboue is great, RvP > Bergkamp.

drunkenmaster said:
VP is already better than bergkamp ever was, he's a better finisher, he gets more assists and he's faster, stronger and just as creative and just as capable of the amazing bits of football and he's got 10 years left to get better.
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I mean! Come on!
 
HangTime said:
Sure, they probably made a profit, but not as big as one might expect since they spent over £60m on new players. Depends a bit on how much Sunderland gave them really. Last season they didn't really balance the books transfer wise (although it was no doubt affordable to the board) with the likes of Bent, Woodgate and Hutton arriving for well in excess of £30m and only Defoe/Mido brining much in.
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Even if you add the summer and winter transfer windows together, Spurs have made a profit of about £12 million. Add that to our ridiculous season ticket prices, our sensational sponsorship deal with Mansion and our TV money and you've got to wonder how much extra Ramos could have spent.
 
Gooner14 said:
It's not only the negative comments, it's the absolute rubbish he talks. Eboue is great, RvP > Bergkamp.



I mean! Come on!
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NO you're right, the amount of times bergkamp got 2 goals in a game, and unlucky to not get the hattrick in his final 5 years at the club, once maybe. All that and thats after his 15th start in 18 months and looks no where near the form he's had previously, yup, he sucks.

Wait no, Bergkamp was the best player ever because he got that one goal against newcastle. Hell, RVP's even better at getting injured.

Not joking though, RVP, is faster, stronger, scores more, gets more assists, is better from freekicks, what exactly made Bergkamp a better player? the simple fact he played for longer so had a bigger reputation?
 
drunkenmaster said:
Actually, i'm thinking of the Ajax game, watch it, he started the turn around, he kept going the whole game, only one running and first half, Denilson was def midfield, 2-0 loss, eboue moved from right wing to def midfield, we shut up shop defensively and won the second half 3-0.
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So a completely meaningless friendly against a team who were knackered. Heck Denilson got a assist in that game are you going to give him credit. Or was that Eboue too...
 
Tunney said:
Even if you add the summer and winter transfer windows together, Spurs have made a profit of about £12 million. Add that to our ridiculous season ticket prices, our sensational sponsorship deal with Mansion and our TV money and you've got to wonder how much extra Ramos could have spent.
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Why do people just look at transfer fee's and think thats it, its called signing on bonus's, and wages, not to mention other bonus's not that you paid many of those out last year :p


Bent, on ridiculous wages, signing about 40 players a year, that would be where the money goes. Same with Benitez, complains about lack of funds despite signing loads and loads of players and having far to big a "first team" squad all on ridiculous wages.

Bent, barely played 80k a week, Flamini first team 20-25k a week, thats where the money goes.
 
Gooner14 said:
So a completely meaningless friendly against a team who were knackered. Heck Denilson got a assist in that game are you going to give him credit. Or was that Eboue too...
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Said several times, he's an attacking midfielder, he's not even that bad at it, in the box he's actually fairly good, his 30 seconds of decent play against Newcastle was in the box, scoring. But he's being played as the defensive midfielder, maybe the person we play in that role should be, maybe, just maybe, good at the defensive part, and not only useful for 30 seconds a game in the wrong part of the field. But thats just my crazy idea's for a defensive midfielder, I could be wrong, I mean, Ferguson played Alan Smith as the defensive midfielder look how well that turned out.............

you can only beat whose infront of you, Eboue has been good in all games this year with a couple assists and generally being very very good. Denilson even against Ajax(who were really just as pants in the first half) was no where to be seen, if Eboue can't get credit for playing well against a crap team, surely Denilson should get more stick for playing like crap, against the same crap team.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
Bent, on ridiculous wages, signing about 40 players a year, that would be where the money goes. Same with Benitez, complains about lack of funds despite signing loads and loads of players and having far to big a "first team" squad all on ridiculous wages.

Bent, barely played 80k a week, Flamini first team 20-25k a week, thats where the money goes.
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hah what, who for liverpool is on ridiculous wages? our "first team" is mostly concisting of squad players other than the spine of Carragher Skrtel Torres Gerrard Mascherano now..
Torres took a pay cut to join us but this was increased after his first season, Do you think Skrtel and Mascherano on big wages? Nope.....
Does Bent actually get 80k? wasnt that an AT BEST scenario where he'd be getting bonuses galore?
 
Gooner14 said:
It's not only the negative comments, it's the absolute rubbish he talks. Eboue is great, RvP > Bergkamp.

I mean! Come on!
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Fair point, if I had to put my life savings on RvP or Bergkamp being the better player it would have to be the old Master as regardless of anything else you can only be a good player when you are actually fit and playing. Admittedly RvP has time on his side at the moment but injuries start to take longer and longer to heal as you get older so as a football fan I can only hope he doesn't get injured much more.

drunkenmaster said:
Wait no, Bergkamp was the best player ever because he got that one goal against newcastle. Hell, RVP's even better at getting injured.
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Have I stepped into a parallel universe? Since when was getting injured an admirable trait for a footballer? Or do you concede that Darren Anderton knocks RvP into a cocked hat?

drunkenmaster said:
Not joking though, RVP, is faster, stronger, scores more, gets more assists, is better from freekicks, what exactly made Bergkamp a better player? the simple fact he played for longer so had a bigger reputation?
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That he played for such a length of time and did it at more than one club, wasn't injured as much and starred for his national team all go somewhat towards making him a legend for me. RvP might surpass him but he isn't there yet in my ill-judged estimation.
 
Your comments about Bergkamp don't dignify a reply. PFA player of the Year, 2nd Greatest Arsenal player ever (online AFC poll) Greatest Dutch International via his Peers (Hiddink, Mulder).
 
drunkenmaster said:
Bent, on ridiculous wages, signing about 40 players a year, that would be where the money goes. Same with Benitez, complains about lack of funds despite signing loads and loads of players and having far to big a "first team" squad all on ridiculous wages.

Bent, barely played 80k a week, Flamini first team 20-25k a week, thats where the money goes.
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Im pretty sure an Arsenal director said the other day that your wage bill is similar to Utd's and far higher than ours :p
 
drunkenmaster said:
you can only beat whose infront of you, Eboue has been good in all games this year with a couple assists and generally being very very good. Denilson even against Ajax(who were really just as pants in the first half) was no where to be seen, if Eboue can't get credit for playing well against a crap team, surely Denilson should get more stick for playing like crap, against the same crap team.
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You realise Denilson has more goals/assits this season than Eboue...
 
BaZ87 said:
Im pretty sure an Arsenal director said the other day that your wage bill is similar to Utd's and far higher than ours :p
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our wage bill is quite high(though i think he's talking a bit of poo) but we have a 60k seater stadium you have, hell i can't remember, but around 30k. that gives us 10's of millions more a year to support wages. going from 40-60k seater increased our profit 50mil, think what the difference is between the clubs and level of wages we can support.


Bergkamp has the bigger reputation, he was around longer, he's a bigger "legend" all that I admit, none of that makes him literally a better player. Reputation comes with time, all the points I see argued simply point to him being around for longer so having gained more awards and things. ON the pitch, RVP has more talent and quality. I don't really care if he gets injured tomorrow and never plays again. It will mean he never becomes a legend like Bergkamp but again thats just reputation, on their best game ever against each other, RVP is better. If you can't separate and see the difference between a reputation for what someones done in their life, and their actual level of ability i really don't know.

Clearly I was joking about the injury, but if serious, Anderton would have to be up there, though wasn't he playing quite a lot somewhere lower league for the last few years?


AS for liverpool wages, if you think Pennant 50k, bench player,( again I'll point out that Flamini was on mid 20k a week) is on significantly more than the likes of Benayooon, Risse was(wasn't he on circa 80k a week, bench player more often than not last year) and most of your squad players. THis is the problem with pool, you keep buyign first team players at other clubs who expect first team wages. It doesn't matter if you pay two players £150k a week, if your bench is on 20k a week and it evens out, liverpools bench players tend to be established firstteamers with wages to match, rather than youngsters on far lower wages. 50-80k for an entire squad is worse than ridiculous wage for a few players and much lower for everyone else.
 
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Gooner14 said:
You realise Denilson has more goals/assits this season than Eboue...
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Well if 3 games isn't a good broad spread of stats I don't know what is. Last year at around the same point of the season Hleb had some of the best stats in the league, yet I don't think he quite kept up the same level throughout the whole season.

AS with most people trying to argue a point, you feel you are winning by ignoring mine, I've stated he's not bad upfront, he's even good in the box, but he's being played as a defensive midfielder, a role for which he is completely inept. By the point you are arguing he could play in goal aswell as long as he got a few assists, as it wouldn't matter that he was crap in his position. No i don't think you're trying to say that, and I won't claim you're trying to say that, stop twisting my words to change my argument. he's utterly hopeless as a defensive midfielder, we have no chance if we stick with him, do you honestly disagree with that? Fulham overran us in midfield, because he couldn't come close to matching them. He managed, just, to not be overrun by one of the oldest and slowest players in the league in Nicky butt and had one of the best midfielders in the world alongside him, his crapness was simply hidden, not gone, against man u, chelsea or the majority of the league we will get ripped apart due to him being in the team.
 
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daz said:
Don't think he's on anything too ridiculous - he turned down big money when West Ham came in for him, preferring to go to Spurs for less...
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Nah, he is on a fair whack apparently, someone posted a list of EPL players and what they earn but it was BS someone said

I have heard he picks up a hefty wage for someone on the bench most of the time
 
was about to correct him there, anfield, 30k? RIGHTTTTTTT.

Riise was on 80k because he had infact had a number of good seasons, whereas last year he didnt therefore sat on the bench, he was on that wage from a contract signed prior to his benchwarming form.
Who else do we have whos an established player who had had years previous of good form? Not really many, can you imagine Aurellio or Arbeloa being on much? Agger? Benayoun wont be on much either. We do have quite a few youngsters on the bench as well - Lucas, Plessis, El Zhar etc.... You are right, we dont make as much from tickets as you, but our wage bill is never the less smaller, and Benitez hasnt being whinging over the amount of money he has to spend, hes whinged at the fact the moneys there but they wont let him spend it as they dont think the transfers offer good value for money.
 
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