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Mat said:
I'm not about to jump on the anti-hunting band wagon but have you got any sources of this 'proven fact'?
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Check out the Game Conservancy trust, NGO and BASC websites, they can provide numerous studies which DEFRA have also took part in.

There are even grants for shoots/landowners who provide headland, managed hedgerows & woodland for Game birds as it also provides for lots of other wildlife.
 
topshot said:
Check out the Game Conservancy trust, NGO and BASC websites, they can provide numerous studies which DEFRA have also took part in.

There are even grants for shoots/landowners who provide headland, managed hedgerows & woodland for Game birds as it also provides for lots of other wildlife.
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Man can't manage land better than nature. What man does however, is keep the natural order as they want it... unnatural.

If there's too many foxes, bunny dies and foxes starve, nature balances out. You cant man handle it.
 
rick827 said:
Man can't manage land better than nature. What man does however, is keep the natural order as they want it... unnatural.

If there's too many foxes, bunny dies and foxes starve, nature balances out. You cant man handle it.
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If thats the way you feel turn off your computer, take off your clothes and go live wild in the woods.

PK!
 
rick827 said:
Man can't manage land better than nature. What man does however, is keep the natural order as they want it... unnatural.

If there's too many foxes, bunny dies and foxes starve, nature balances out. You cant man handle it.
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That would be true before mankind. But due to intense farming and constant expansion of roads/towns/cities what countryside we do have needs managing.
 
rick827 said:
Man can't manage land better than nature. What man does however, is keep the natural order as they want it... unnatural.

If there's too many foxes, bunny dies and foxes starve, nature balances out. You cant man handle it.
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Unfortunately, somewhere mankind will always inpinge upon nature and that throws it out of balance. In this country, certainly, there is no such thing as an ecosystem which isn't influenced by man.

As long as this is the case others will need to manage the land to stop the imbalance getting worse than it should.

Hunting, be it with guns, dogs, birds or even rocks is part of that, especially if it stops more 'industrial' land uses taking over.
 
topshot said:
That would be true before mankind. But due to intense farming and constant expansion of roads/towns/cities what countryside we do have needs managing.
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If you leave it be it'll work out fine on its own. Stop pretending you have some honorable cause for your sport. Im not against hunting and i'd rather animals which could sustain being hunted were killed over others, but just say it for what it is.. you do it for fun.
 
rick827 said:
If you leave it be it'll work out fine on its own.
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It's that laissez faire attitude to countryside management that has caused the degredation of our environment. I'm afraid that given the economic pressures, if you want to preserve nature then you've got to get someone to do it.

Nature would only look after itself if it were completely, and I mean completely, devoid of any man made impact.

Now if you'd care to take your fingers out of your ears and stop saying "Nah nah nah" because you feel you have some superiour moral compass we can look at this objectively.
 
[DOD]Asprilla;12472693 said:
Now if you'd care to take your fingers out of your ears and stop saying "Nah nah nah" because you feel you have some superiour moral compass we can look at this objectively.
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Maybe the magnets at the LHC have interfered with his compass.;)
 
rick827 said:
If you leave it be it'll work out fine on its own. Stop pretending you have some honorable cause for your sport. Im not against hunting and i'd rather animals which could sustain being hunted were killed over others, but just say it for what it is.. you do it for fun.
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No it wouldnt. Since we have establsihed a shoot on our 350 acre farm we have pheastants about all year round, Grey partridge (which are becoming very rare) are re-establishing themsleves. We have foxes/deer but we control the numbers, we dont hunt them to extinction .

I enjoy shooting yes, but im a good enough shot to make sure nothing suffers. Nothing goes to waste either, its either eaten or sold to butchers.
 
I've no internet high horse lol, im just saying- I dislike it when people go crazy because the habitat has changed. Things will go on, species will change to match the conditions. Sure if you want to keep things as they are, despite the fact you're changing their environment (eg; fields) then you need to manage it. My point is; is it such a bad thing nature changes because of us..? And why dont we just let it happen?

Take global warming, the world heats up and it will change yes. But it won't die.. it'll just adapt. Is that such a big deal?
 
yes it is a bad thing. Species wont adapt at the rate our world is changing. They will just die out. Its already happening to lots of animals/insects in this country.
 
rick827 said:
Man can't manage land better than nature. What man does however, is keep the natural order as they want it... unnatural.

If there's too many foxes, bunny dies and foxes starve, nature balances out. You cant man handle it.
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rick827 said:
If you leave it be it'll work out fine on its own. Stop pretending you have some honorable cause for your sport. Im not against hunting and i'd rather animals which could sustain being hunted were killed over others, but just say it for what it is.. you do it for fun.
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Do you realise that man has been managing the land for thousands of years?

Pretty much of of Britain has been shaped by man and would it be fair to say played a role in the animals that habitat that land.

I personally have no problem with hunting as long as you eat what you kill or you are doing it to manage the land.

As I am sure someone will point out fox hunting to me I do not agree with letting a dog tear a fox to pieces but I have no issue with a fox being humanely culled,
 
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