2008 Italian GP - Race 14/18
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You are completely entitled to your view, but that doesnt mean I like it nor understand it.
Am more than happy to agree to differ, and besides if we all agreed with eachother then we'd have nothing to talk about.
There's "hype", there's "irritating fanboyism" and then there's where ITV have been on occasion. Sometimes it has been warranted - because I think even those who don't admire him would agree that the kid has serious speed. But sometimes it just hasn't been warranted at all. There have been occasions where ITV have just completely glossed over the fact that he's not been particularly good (Brazil last year being a case in point).
Massa did extremely well from his grid slot to overtake all those people at the start so he could get all the way up to the lofy heights of 6th....
Dammed right!
I'm waiting for the rain at the next race. In the dark, under floodlights.
The drivers were complaining that they couldn't see much at the end of FP1 alongside the pit stright as there were lights in the pitlane that was dazzling them as they reflected off the rain and the wet track. This was in the daytime, going to be great at night.
6) Also....what am I bet that Red Bull and STR swap motors next year?
Doubt it, Toro Rosso have already confirmed *I'm pretty sure anyway* their engine supply for next year.
they are not allowed to change lines in the braking zones
but again that a driver thing they agree on lewis off course is above any such actions
never mind he hit webber off the track he never left no room he hit him
I dont care if Hamilton is the God of all Gods and the entire world is under his control, I would really like to hear about the goings on of the other 19 drivers on track. The ITV coverage was appauling. I get the impression a massive pile up could have taken out 15 cars, and the ITV crew would be more concerned about how Hamilton dropped 0.5 second to Massa and how it was the end of the world!
Roll on some fresh BBC eyes!
Roll on some fresh BBC eyes!
Oh **** off. Watch the footage, there was room, the contact was caused as Webber turned in on Hamiltons wheel. Hamilton didnt move, he went in a straight line, leaving just enough room, and Webber took 2 or 3 slight twitches at taking the corner and the final one made slight contact.
And it wasnt like it was massive contact controversy of the race either, they both carried on. Did you even notice that Nakajima left NO room for Coulthard and caused an accident? No, didnt think so.
i have watched it are you anthony hamilton or something?
if hamilton did not move then you seriously have a problem with your eyesight
hamiton is over on the right of the track and moves very clearly over to left to squeeze webber out and makes contact
i suggest you go watch it again maybe 3 times since you have eyesight problems lol
its because he is a arrogant hypocrite really his hype is nothing unusual
Most of the best F1 drivers of the past have been arrogant. MS, Senna, Piquet, etc...even Kimi
They are opinionated and believe they are correct, even if sometimes, they are obviously wrong.I agree with the guy who earlier in this thread said that he wouldnt like to know Hamilton in person. However, as he said, he is a great driver and I like him for the entertainment he provides. In that vein, I would much rather see an arrogant Hamilton racing than a humble, nice guy like Heikki.
Hamilton moved in a straight line from the inside of the track to the racing line on the outside to take the corner, much like he and everyone else did for every other lap the entire race. No twitching or weaving, just a straight (all be it diagonal) line. Webber was the one jabbing right repeatedly and causing the collision.
And it still doesnt stop the fact that it was a slight tap and nothing bad happened. Much worse happened during the race yet you seem to have completely missed this as you go on a personal manhunt against 1 man. You dont even seem to have noticed how Ferrari were hard done by by the FIA asking MAssa to give back the place to Heildfeld that in my opinion was a perfectly fair overtake. (yes, thats right, a Hamilton fan capable of making reasonable judgements against another team! Shock Horror!)
I'm not going to deny that Hamilton did this. However, next time, Webber should/will be more careful if he intends to attempt an overtaking manouvre on Hamilton.
so now he did move across the track lol
do not move in the braking zones
fine can do that when on your own not when you go into another car but what does that matter
never mind he tried the same to giancarlo and also stuck glock on the grass eh
i already commented on the ferrari issue earlier in the thread
there has been no footage in car with lewis so how on earth do you know he was not twitching? are you saying his car was so perfectly under control in those conditions that he was not correcting it all the time like webber was?
or he will just pay him back
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http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=eot15t4dQM0
Watch this, and look at the angle of Webbers steering wheel when the contact occurs, or even the few seconds before.
Now whos moving about in the breaking zone?
And then go check out the countless other battles that took place in that race and widen your perspective.
Watch this, and look at the angle of Webbers steering wheel when the contact occurs, or even the few seconds before.
Now whos moving about in the breaking zone?
And then go check out the countless other battles that took place in that race and widen your perspective.
Well done Vettel. Great to see another team enjoying some success.
Good race from LH - can't stand the smug git but he drove well - its good to see some aggression back out on the track. Funny thing is, most people defending him probably slated Schumey for doing the same sort of thing back in the old days. C'est la vie.
Surprised Ferrari have signed Kimi for next year. Thought/hoped Alonso might end up there.
Good race from LH - can't stand the smug git but he drove well - its good to see some aggression back out on the track. Funny thing is, most people defending him probably slated Schumey for doing the same sort of thing back in the old days. C'est la vie.
Surprised Ferrari have signed Kimi for next year. Thought/hoped Alonso might end up there.
Hamilton positioned himself quite sneakly for the block actually, he basically squeezed Weber all the way to the left of the track and leaving him JUST ENOUGH ROOM to stay on the track.
Problem is Weber started to turn right sooner than Hamilton since he assumed that Hamilton would be turning right at the same time... but sneakly Hamilton "guided" Weber all the way to the off-road infront of chicane.
Weber shouldve realised this and just simply braked a bit more... if necessary almost coming to a stand still...
Hamilton was tempting fate by that move, but the beauty of the move was that he gave Weber enough space to stay on track yet forced him into a difficult position...
Also, when Hamilton moved over to the left (for the racing line), it may have been interpreted as aggressive, but it is legal. It was Weber's fault for moving right too soon after they got to the corner.
And notice how Weber hasnt made any comment about it after the race... (as sunama said... once the adrenaline has subsided... clear thinking takes over and Im sure Weber wouldve seen replays and come to the same conclusion).
By the way, you guys know Im a Ferrari fan
Problem is Weber started to turn right sooner than Hamilton since he assumed that Hamilton would be turning right at the same time... but sneakly Hamilton "guided" Weber all the way to the off-road infront of chicane.
Weber shouldve realised this and just simply braked a bit more... if necessary almost coming to a stand still...
Hamilton was tempting fate by that move, but the beauty of the move was that he gave Weber enough space to stay on track yet forced him into a difficult position...
Also, when Hamilton moved over to the left (for the racing line), it may have been interpreted as aggressive, but it is legal. It was Weber's fault for moving right too soon after they got to the corner.
And notice how Weber hasnt made any comment about it after the race... (as sunama said... once the adrenaline has subsided... clear thinking takes over and Im sure Weber wouldve seen replays and come to the same conclusion).
By the way, you guys know Im a Ferrari fan
they are tiny adjustments to keep the car straight in the wet are you for real?
it clearly shows lewis coming across into him under breaking
you really cant admit lewis does wrong even his fanclub at itv can see it
As with most things like this, its not so much the guy themselves, or their actions, but rather the totally blinkered opinons of others who are hell bent on defending or attacking a certain person regardless of any other surrounding situation.
Im guilty of it myself, Alonso could do amazing things in the future, yet I will still think hes a worthless **** who should bugger off to NASCAR, but atleast with this Hamilton issue im looking at it as just one of an exceptional ammount of events in the race, where nothing exciting happened, and nothing bad came of it. In the wide range of things, who cares, they slightly banged wheels, oh no, ban him for life!....
I actually said "wow" out loud and in awe of Vettel's drive.
I'm actually delighted for the kid, he had such a damn unlucky start to the season, and now he takes pole, a race win, and his total points to 23 for the season. It's great to think that they used to be Minardi, the team that never won a point unless everyone else crashed out, and now they've won a race. I know, they're a different team now, but it's incredible thinking about it that way
Disappointed with Massa only gaining 1pt on The Messiah, but it all counts. Good drive from Hamilton when it was getting dry, you could see how hard he was pushing that car. Kimi doesn't give a damn any more, I wish Ferrari could get Kubica or Vettel.
Tbh, I'm pretty disgusted at all the news stories banging on about LH's 7th place and shunning a superb winning drive from Vettel. Not often you get a mid-field/back-marker win a race, give the kid his moment ffs.
I'm actually delighted for the kid, he had such a damn unlucky start to the season, and now he takes pole, a race win, and his total points to 23 for the season. It's great to think that they used to be Minardi, the team that never won a point unless everyone else crashed out, and now they've won a race. I know, they're a different team now, but it's incredible thinking about it that way
Disappointed with Massa only gaining 1pt on The Messiah, but it all counts. Good drive from Hamilton when it was getting dry, you could see how hard he was pushing that car. Kimi doesn't give a damn any more, I wish Ferrari could get Kubica or Vettel.
Tbh, I'm pretty disgusted at all the news stories banging on about LH's 7th place and shunning a superb winning drive from Vettel. Not often you get a mid-field/back-marker win a race, give the kid his moment ffs.
I too am confuzed? I thought Kimi was quite open about possibly wanting to retire. And what was the last 15 laps about, he clearly had the pace just did sod all about it for 3/4 of the race. Not the actions of a true racer if you ask me.
British media by any chance? ITV maybe?