England now most crowded major country in EU

so we're only marginally more densely populated than Germany :/

And way behind many other places that do fine, japan, Taiwan (which is something like 700 ppkm2 +) etc..

Depends on who "we" is. In this case we're talking about England.

England is more densely populated than Japan. No-one has claimed we're the most densely populated major country in the world (and I hope we never are).
 
England is - so it's hardly arbitrary.

Not really - it's not like England has its own government. England is these days probably more technically a region of the EU, or a constituent of the country the United Kingdom. In any case, it's not that important.

What is important is why population density is an issue. My point was that population density is meaningless on its own. You can have high standards of living and quality of life in urban conurbations and you can have low quality of life and very low incomes in the countryside, but it all depends on a number of factors.

Economic migrants contributing to the economy as a whole are welcome in my eyes. Anybody - and that includes white indigineous people as well as migrants from around the world that aren't positively contributing to our society are what need to be looked at. The easiest way to get people economically active again is making it more viable for them to work rather than relying on benefits their entire lives. There are council estates across England with families that have been living on benefits for 3 generations. It's become institutional in these areas. Education and lower taxes at low end of the income are the way to get these people economically active again. Is it any wonder when there is a benefit system that makes people better off for not working than for working a minimum wage job that there are issues in society...
 
I'm surprised that the Netherlands hasn't imploded under all this pressure. :p

Just give everyone a joint and no problem, everybody's cool again :D.


On a more serious note, the roads are jammed daily, the house prices keep rising, and there is less and less nature each day here, but atm, we're still doing ok-ish with a very small economic growth...
 
Depends on who "we" is. In this case we're talking about England.

england is no more a separate entity from wales or Scotland than Sussex is from Cheshire when it comes to peoples movement.

So for all intents and purposes of population density the uk figure applies.
 
Not really - it's not like England has its own government. England is these days probably more technically a region of the EU, or a constituent of the country the United Kingdom. In any case, it's not that important.

No you're really wrong here. England is a country, this is an inarguable fact. it is also part of the United Kingdom. If you'd had said Scotland or Wales weren't countries you'd be just as wrong (and probably get some angry replies :p ).

What is important is why population density is an issue. My point was that population density is meaningless on its own. You can have high standards of living and quality of life in urban conurbations and you can have low quality of life and very low incomes in the countryside, but it all depends on a number of factors.

Rising population density is an issue for the reasons I gave in the OP. It has a very real effect on quality of life, and stretches public services such as the transport network which is not easily extensible. For sure, God isn't making any more land, so given a birth rate >2 or net immigration our population density is always going to rise, but my question is why is rising faster than the rest of the EU? Unmanaged population increases will result in disaster for any country.

Economic migrants contributing to the economy as a whole are welcome in my eyes. Anybody - and that includes white indigineous people as well as migrants from around the world that aren't positively contributing to our society are what need to be looked at. The easiest way to get people economically active again is making it more viable for them to work rather than relying on benefits their entire lives. There are council estates across England with families that have been living on benefits for 3 generations. It's become institutional in these areas. Education and lower taxes at low end of the income are the way to get these people economically active again. Is it any wonder when there is a benefit system that makes people better off for not working than for working a minimum wage job that there are issues in society...

This isn't about chavs, race, or immigration, it's about the way we manage the country. Indeed, it's actually more important than the economy because people are absolutely what makes a country, not its economy. The question is, what sort of England, or United Kingdom, do we want to live in? A relatively pleasant place to live or a densely packed hell hole?
 
No you're really wrong here. England is a country, this is an inarguable fact. it is also part of the United Kingdom. If you'd had said Scotland or Wales weren't countries you'd be just as wrong (and probably get some angry replies :p ).

Like I said it's not important as to the technical subdivision of regions into countries etc...
In any case, the South of England has a massive population density - far higher than Wales or Scotland, yet the quality of life is much higher on average.

A relatively pleasant place to live or a densely packed hell hole?

See that's just utterly subjective and dependent on a huge number of issues. You can have a barren empty hell hole just as you can have a densely packed urban hell hole.
 
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