thing is, ferrari lost performance due to standard ECU's, maybe they finally working that out? I dunno...
2008 Italian GP - Race 14/18
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Has anyone else noticed that when we get an on-board shot of a Toyota, it never seems to be struggling for traction even when every other car is bouncing off the rev limiter and scrabbling to try and get some purchase on the track?
Take the start in Spa - if La Source was any further away from the starting grid, Trulli would have been in the lead. He was so much faster than the cars around him. Glock didn't exactly struggle to get it off the line either. And at Monza - the TV switches to an on-board of one of the Toyotas, James Allen says 'listen to this car without TC'....and the car accelerates out of Ascari with barely a hint of wheelspin compared to the rest of the field.
They may not be using traction control as such, as they aren't getting the misfiring soundtrack whenever they apply the power. But they seem to be doing something, IMO.
Take the start in Spa - if La Source was any further away from the starting grid, Trulli would have been in the lead. He was so much faster than the cars around him. Glock didn't exactly struggle to get it off the line either. And at Monza - the TV switches to an on-board of one of the Toyotas, James Allen says 'listen to this car without TC'....and the car accelerates out of Ascari with barely a hint of wheelspin compared to the rest of the field.
They may not be using traction control as such, as they aren't getting the misfiring soundtrack whenever they apply the power. But they seem to be doing something, IMO.
hmm have you noticed this with williams? (this would make it more likely its the engine driveability).
I must admit i noticed it with toyota too.
Germany 2008, i know it aint wet and its a few races ago but lots of wheel spin out of slow corners http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oCoqqzi0rA
cant find any newer clips
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None of the TV directors seem to like using Williams on-board shots any more. Really need to see how the two cars deal with the same spot on a track.
Well, I'm not completely crazy then.
Unless....unless I'm so crazy that I'm imagining you agreeing with me!
Maybe I should go get some caffeine into me....
I was under the impression that engine development was frozen from the start of the year (correct me please), so any changes are scrutinsed rather heavily, so performance improvements may most probably come from gearbox/oil type/further transmission loss negation?
Or as someone said, optimising the ECU's from the start of the season.
Or as someone said, optimising the ECU's from the start of the season.
ferrari upgraded con rods for "cost" savings....
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Mosley wants standard engine for F1:
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080917140331.shtml
aaaaghhhh - enough with the tinkering!
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080917140331.shtml
aaaaghhhh - enough with the tinkering!
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We have A1 for that kind of racing
Or even that new series where football clubs sponsor racing cars
F1 is unique in having each team develop their own car and select their engine. If they can't do that then its not F1.
Turning more into F1.5
Max has only got a year or so before he's outta here......although I'm hoping he gets choked a little too hard during his next visit to the "dungeon".
You mean F0.5!
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Hopefully anyway.
Teams have been testing this week in Jerez.
Is it me or does the new F1 rear wing rules for '09 look ridiculous?
Yes, they do.
What is the new rule? Why will reducing downforce make for better sport?
FIA consfuse me sometimes. is it just to keep a mates mates carbon composite company in business or something.
Yep larger front wing and smaller rear wing.
No more ridiculous than the 'narrow-track' cars looked in '98 after so many years of wide cars, and no more ridiculous than they looked when they recently started sprouting those Batmobile-esque fins on the engine covers, and no more ridiculous than the first winged cars must have looked in '68/'69 when folks were so used to 'clean' looking cars. If everyone on the grid next season is sporting a rear wing like that, we'll be completely used to them by the time they leave Melbourne. Maybe even sooner.