5Dii (for real this time)

SilverPenguin said:
Horses for courses though, I find Nikon to be some much more logical in controls because it's what I always use. I don't need the manual to operate Nikon bodies. On the few occasions I've used a Canon I've spent ages trawling through menu's and trying to work out how to switch modes etc and like your experience, I was unable to get to AV mode for ages.

It's just what your used too when it comes to UI.
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Its the same for me. I really wanted to get a Canon body b ut they were all so uncomfortable and unwieldy, with really obscure button placements that made no sense. I painfully got a finger trapped in a 350D once. I spent hours in the shops playing with Nikon and Canon bodies, most of the time was spent trying to learn the Canon bodies. With the Nikon D70 it just sat in my hand perfectly , all fingers in the right place, buttons where they should be and rally simple and obvious menus and controls. But I wanted Canon so was determined to figure it out. In the end I realised the Nikons were just naturally good to hold.
This seems to be a general trend with Nikon bodies.




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I heard the high ISO performance might be acceptable,. Bring on the price wars!
 
No one needs more than 12Mp, if you do then you are doing studio work and want the 1DMKii or a medium format - or your simply brainwashed by advertising.
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Or you shoot birds and small wildlife at distance and frequently want/need to crop your images, sometimes heavily. More MP for me please (as long as noise doesn't increase).
 
There's clearly some pros and cons on the camera.
The FPS is no great shakes (but not the end of the world), the AF is dissapointing.
Having said that, image quality should be awesome. Looks like they've taken the sensor from the 1DSmk3, then added 14bit support and digic4, implying that for landscape and portrait shots, that this camera should be king of the hill.

Definitely on my shopping list, though probably on a trip to the US.
 
NuclearWinter said:
Or you shoot birds and small wildlife at distance and frequently want/need to crop your images, sometimes heavily. More MP for me please (as long as noise doesn't increase).
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Then you are using the wrong lens, or would be better served by a DX crop format camera.

A canon 50D would give you more pixels per bird.
 
D.P. said:
Only if the high ISO performance is good. For weddigns you don't need the 21Mp. Wedding photos aren't printed on billboards. But all weddings take place indoors with low light. Fast glass attached to a sensor with excellent high ISO performance is the best choice.

The D700/D3 is a better bet , although we don't know the performance of the 5DMkII yet.

The 5DMKII looks like a good landscape camera IMO. Slow outdated focus not an issue, FPS not an issue. FF for wide angle and where a high MP can be useful to print large landscape prints.
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21mp is very useful for wedding photography. Being able to create a high resolution crop from a 21mp photo is a brilliant safety net and tool.
 
sounds like a decent enough upgrade to me but when compared with the D700 the Nikon seems to be better value for money offering a lot more AF points, weather sealing and faster FPS
Canon seem to be relying on people choosing the 5DII over the D700 because it has HD movie mode and 21mps - and charging them a bit more for the privilege

uk price £2300 compared with $2700 (which is around £1550)

even saving a few quid and importing tje 5d2 I feel the D700 will still be better value offeing more pro type features at a similar price range

overall i'm slightly dissapointed but will wait to see what the reviews say
 
robmiller said:
That's a pretty bizarre thing to presume :confused:
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Why?

With that much resolution the detail it'll resolve will be far higher, the 1D M3 and 1DS M3 at lower ISO already have overall nicer IQ than the D3, you'll read that in pretty much most comparisons. The only place they fail is high ISO.

I don't think its that bizarre to assume that a brand new camera, with obvious high ISO capability and 21MP will have extremley good IQ.

If you've used a phase one MF back or Mamiya ZD, check the IQ on that - its probably the best you can get digitally. The 1DS MkIII is in that realm of quality, IQ and resolving power. The 5D MkII will be in the same realm but with better ISO performace... but its AF and other stuff will be lacking compared to the 1Ds.


If we're talking pure IQ and nothing else, on files at of ISO 200 and under, the D700 and D3 is at the same level as the original 5D.
 
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Looks nice :cool:

But then again my 5D suits everything I do perfectly and the IQ can still blow my socks off so I don't see much point in upgrading.

People who buy a 5D generally do so for image quality for things like studio work, landscape or weddings, none of them require high FPS or massive amounts of AF points. If you don't need a professional body but you need high FPS then you're probably shooting sport, motorsport, wildlife or aviation and a XXD series camera would be better for that as the crop factor and FPS will better suited. In other words pick the right tool for the job :)
 
D.P. said:
Then you are using the wrong lens, or would be better served by a DX crop format camera.

A canon 50D would give you more pixels per bird.
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Even bird photographers who can afford the preferred 500mm or 600mm f4s, still make good use of cropping for small birds. Seriously, go look at a sparrow in your garden - they are tiny, you can't fill a frame with one (this is a heavy crop from a quickie garden shot using a 400mm and 1.6x crop factor camera, of a tame house sparrow that I was very close to). Any lens bigger than the 500 can often be too big and heavy for the subject matter also.

And yes, I agree that a 50D may be better suited, but I was responding to the general criticism that "more than 12Mp is useless". In fact that exact same criticism appeared in the 50D thread too.
 
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NuclearWinter said:
And yes, I agree that a 50D may be better suited, but I was responding to the general criticism that "more than 12Mp is useless". In fact that exact same criticism appeared in the 50D thread too.
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I've fallen in love with 21MP. The images are just gigantic and it gives you so many options of processing and cropping etc.

At the end of the day my friend has taken stunning pictures with his Nikon 4MP D2H, before he upgraded to a D3...

We don't NEED 50 point af, we don't NEED ISO 9783459, we don't NEED 21MP, we don't NEED video, we don't NEED 10fps.... We don't really NEED anything other than 5-8MP and manual focus.... but we choose all the good stuff because it makes everything better..

Most of the landscape photographers I know shoot medium/large format for a reason, not many of those would be happy with 12MP for that sort of stuff.
 
I really do see the 5Dmk2 having the best IQ on the market for DSLRs. With digic4 and 14bit files, should even outperform a 1DSmk3 (though clearly not if you take into account moving objects and AF capabilities).

If anything, makes an interesting option to a 1Dmk3, i.e. would you like the best AF on the market and high FPS with a reasonable amount of pixels (must be OK, as the Nikon boys say you don't need any more than the D3), or would you prefer the best static IQ around.
 
Mr_Sukebe said:
I really do see the 5Dmk2 having the best IQ on the market for DSLRs. With digic4 and 14bit files, should even outperform a 1DSmk3 (though clearly not if you take into account moving objects and AF capabilities).

If anything, makes an interesting option to a 1Dmk3, i.e. would you like the best AF on the market and high FPS with a reasonable amount of pixels (must be OK, as the Nikon boys say you don't need any more than the D3), or would you prefer the best static IQ around.
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I think from a resolving point of the view it'll be identical to the 1DS MkIII as it uses the same sensor, Digic4 will no doubt improve noise. I'm not so sure whether the colour reproduction and tone will be as nice, but that remains to be seen (pending reviews), obviously its lacking in the AF department.

I'd happily put money on it being very very nice indeed.
 
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