CD Projekt: Publishers "Scared" To Scrap DRM

[Darkwave]

Im sorry, but it is...deal with it.

You'll find a copy of pretty much all legislation at www.opsi.gov.uk, if you'll be so kind as to link us to the part that says copyright infringement is the same as theft then I'm sure we'd all be amazed.

Here is a link to the Copyright, Designs And Patents Act 1988 to give you a head start.

Yes, of course, you can see it now...yes judge, i downloaded and cracked the game because i felt EA were challenging me, and because of my low self esteem i can only seem improve via the relative anonymity the internet provides, i decide to show them by stealing there game and making it easier to play for other thieves...

No, sorry, not an excuse.

He didn't say it's an excuse, he just said release groups will take any new copy protection system as a new challenge. Crackers find it fun to crack new copy protection, it is their hobby to do it.

 

[Indy500]

DRM doesn't help anybody, it doesn't even help the publisher.

I guess it helps the DRM creators

 

[Margaret]

Im sorry, but it is...deal with it.

Downloading = Copy
Stealing = Taking something

Yes, of course, you can see it now...yes judge, i downloaded and cracked the game because i felt EA were challenging me, and because of my low self esteem i can only seem improve via the relative anonymity the internet provides, i decide to show them by stealing there game and making it easier to play for other thieves...

No, sorry, not an excuse.

Right, I never said it was from my point of view, nor did I say it was an excuse.

What does self esteem have to do with it? What the hell are you on about, is that directed at me?

DRM - upsets LEGITIMATE users and drives more people to piracy, crackers love the challenge of cracking new systems.

Edit: Also doesn't DRM actually cost the publishers to put in place anyway? Seems pointless.

 

[Darkwave]

I guess it helps the DRM creators

Aye, I touched on this before. I wonder how much Sony DADC makes through licensing the chocolate teapot that is SecuROM to publishers, and I wonder if they charge per title or by how many copies are printed.

 

[Tonytank]

What the hell are you on about, is that directed at me?

Not at all mate, sorry for the confusion.

DRM - upsets LEGITIMATE users and drives more people to piracy, crackers love the challenge of cracking new systems.

The first of that is true to an extent, but surely with the second part, the fault is with the crackers who "love" the challenge.
These companies have the right to protect there product, i dont think its fair to say "dont try and use drm, youll only get the crackers trying harder to crack it".

Ive always maintained that is astounds me that most of these people pirate for the "respect" it gets them from people. Doesnt keep the heating on does it.

 

[Darkwave]

These companies have the right to protect there product, i dont think its fair to say "dont try and use drm, youll only get the crackers trying harder to crack it".

If you insist on using a method of copy protection or DRM that does nothing to pirates but places arbitrary limits on the legitimate, paying customer then you're sending entirely the wrong message.

When they think of a copy protection that actually works I'm sure customers will complain much less.

 

[craptakular]

I would say if games went down to £20 a pop I would buy a lot more if they were DRM free and could be re-sold easily.

I only buy the odd "top titles" per year. Last 12 months I have bought TF2, cod4, crysis, warhead, mass effect. Thats it for PC anyway. I wouldnt buy every single release, I have pirated a couple of games, well 2.

I must admit that punkbuster/VAC is a good system to stop pirates playing online, thus limiting pirating.

Well there maybe ways to rip off steam/punkbuster servers but I don't know how and I would consider myself comp literate....

I dunno what im rambling on about lol

 

[Margaret]

Not at all mate, sorry for the confusion.

No problemo, thought it was a bit odd.

 

[NightSt@lk3r]

CD Projekt are saying this now because The Witcher was a great game and sold well, as soon as they make a flop and it doesn't sell they will jump on the Piracy band wagon, you mark my words.

 

[Darkwave]

CD Projekt are saying this now because The Witcher was a great game and sold well, as soon as they make a flop and it doesn't sell they will jump on the Piracy band wagon, you mark my words.

Isn't that what they're saying? That if you make a great game it'll sell well regardless?

 

[MagicUK]

i feel steam and this downloading games have a place in the future, obv u would need a broadband connection anyway for it, thing that annoys me is that prices of retails games with all the cases/shop costs/delivery costs works out say £19.99 in a high street retailer yet with just the licence no physical media and downloading from steam or direct to drive works out about £3 quid cheaper, whats the point? ya may as well just get retail or if then say bought crysis warhead down to £9/10 on steam i think u would get more sales as for online play and auto updates of games! sorry about grammar lol

 

[gareth170]

If isp's had a monitoring system which tracked you more if you went to such torrent sites, and downloaded such content...then yes, piracy would go down.

some isp's have monitoring systems now, virgin is one of them. it's been on the news about it. they send letters to the people who are the big uses of torrents then if they don't stop the company as the right to get the police into it.

 

[Margaret]

some isp's have monitoring systems now, virgin is one of them. it's been on the news about it.

and I'm quite sure they will have had them tracking systems ages ago.

 

[gareth170]

and I'm quite sure they will have had them tracking systems ages ago.

but now the companys that as joined this thing with the police now as the right to get the police into it.

 

[Margaret]

but now the company as the right to get the police into it.

Can you see anything being done about it? I can't.

Uploaders will probably get in ****, Downloaders however I'm not so sure, not that I use Torrents as I think it's too risky.

 

[Teki187]

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=242940

I've been saying exactly this for a long time now. If you make good games, they will sell.

Discuss.

Completely agree.

I only pirate games because im scared of wasting my money and something that isn't finished.

Example is Mass Effect, recently downloaded it, enjoyed it so much i've gone and bought it.

Good games sell them selfs, crap games and publisher deserve the death of the pirate.

 

[gareth170]

Can you see anything being done about it? I can't.

about a month afew people got done and had to pay £13k i think. it was on the news..

 

[Margaret]

about a month afew people got done and had to pay £13k i think. it was on the news..

Yeah but weren't they sharing? If you use torrents you upload while downloading so it's easy to get done over that.

 

[gareth170]

Yeah but weren't they sharing? If you use torrents you upload while downloading so it's easy to get done over that.

i think the person uploaded a game to some shareing site or as a torrent.

 

[uv]

yet with just the licence no physical media and downloading from steam or direct to drive works out about £3 quid cheaper, whats the point?

I'd pay more for my games on Steam tbh.. the joys of auto updates, everything in one place, old(!) games that work just fine in Vista, no installing from physical media etc etc make it a dream come true for myself

I haven't even plugged in my DVD drive the last time I rebuilt my main machine.. I install Vista from a USB thumb drive, and I grab all my games from Steam. It's actually easier than downloading, installing, updating and cracking a game!