floating body in the sea

Several years ago back when I was 16 or 17, and on my last ever family holiday, I was admiring the view from my body board when I noticed that her dad had swam out too far and had got caught in the current. Thinking here's my chance to be a hero I swam out with my board to help him. And then got caught in the current too. It ended up with him, me, a surfer and the lifeguard all swimming for a while against the current to get back in, with my parents now amongst the small crowd on the beach. I never got a chance to speak to the girl.

So, sometimes it is better off leaving it to the proffessionals and not ending up adding to the number of people in trouble. Or in other words, know your limits when trying to impress girls.

PK!
 
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Everyone seems to be missing the important bit...

Did you manage to get a picture of this very short skirt and low cut top view?? ;)
 
Im quite interested in this whole bystander apathy scenario and people not taking responsiblity helping someone in distress in a group environment.

Beginning of this year my eldest brother flew back from Ireland to Cape Town (on a business trip promoting the South African Garden Route for international tourism) and whilst in the arrivals luggage area waiting for his bags to arrive he suffered a massive heart attack and subsequently passed out due to lack of oxygen going to the brain.

This area was full of people and no one stood forward to even try CPR, the medical team apparently only arrived 10 minutes later (brother was then in a coma for 2 weeks before passing on)

My parents have accepted this and to a degree so have I but what annoys me is that people just stood there when you can see someone needs help.
Maybe if someone had at least attempted CPR until professionals arrived he may still be alive today.

He was in a suit - not like he was a druggie or homeless person - are people really afraid to help? afriad of catching something? afraid of embarrasing themselves in public? - I hope I wont be in that situation and will try help someone - at least I know to first hit the chest near the heart hard to shock it into starting and perform CPR.

Surely The Good Samiritan Law will protect people who assist in this case? In the UK its a law to help someone in distress even if its calling for assistance.

(Apologies for shaking the morbid stick over this thread)
 
WE don't have the good samaritan law in the UK, which back to the other thread I refered to lots, LOTS of people said we don't need it in the UK because we'll all jump in and help without the threat of being sued and laughed that America needed that law, the anti american idiots on here astound me to be honest. Anyway lots of countries have their own take on the good samaritan law except the UK last I checked.

But in regards to giving CPR, lots of people simply don't know how to do it correctly and 95% of people would do more harm than good trying to help. But again its that thing of, i "think" i might be able to help but If i step up, maybe someone who really knows how to do CPR will walk past, think its covered and get on with his own busy day.

Then theres, even if you do know CPR, if you help and still fail, the guy dies, you feel responsible for failing, while if you don't try you don't fail. Taking responsibility for another persons life is a fairly big thing, it should be a fairly easy choice but theres lots and lots of factors to take into consideration.

The other thing would be, in a airport I'd be less likely to jump right in that in the middle of nowhere, as I might be the guy in the middle of nowheres best chance, while in an airport there should be medical personel and multiple trained first AID people like security and police around something like an Airport.

Sorry for your loss anyway, sudden out of the blue things like that are the hardest to deal with, even more so when you feel so far away from someone.

Not sure if it will help you or not, but most people who don't know CPR(and its most) will end up doing chest compressions that are far to weak to help, in the wrong position and not securing the airway and blowing air into the stomach rather than the lungs. I guess the argument is less would he have survived if anyone helped, but would he have survived if worldwide people are taught CPR in school with refresher courses run at most business's every 5 years for life and the likelyhood of something like that happening around someone who knows how to do proper CPR goes up dramatically.
 
It would be intresting to know how many people actually have some kind of first aid qualification. I'm currently waiting to go on a course with work to renew mine.

PK!
 
I would gladly help in a similar situation but the last time i tried to help, i was chased by the police the entire night. No need for details but the point is.... the hell with trying to help people.

Paramount said:
Or picture this... you go in to help him, do so, then he later sues you because during the rescue effort you accidentally twisted his leg.

It's happened before iirc, someone had a heart attack on the street and the guy who helped her while the ambulance was on its way was later sued by her for some reason.
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Imagine that he tried to help her, and he now has to kill her.
 
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platinum87 said:
I would gladly help in a similar situation but the last time i tried to help, i was chased by the police the entire night. No need for details but the point is.... the hell with trying to help people.
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come on, you can't just tell us that little snippet


tell us the whole story!
 
Thanks drunkenmaster for your reply :)

you are right in that there are lots of factors that prevent people from helping, I for one indeed at least know CPR - perhaps not as well as a professional but at least it will do more good than harm.

Everyone should at least know CPR I reckon - it would really help.

Actually crysis situations like this need to be taught at school and role played.

i.e.

'Ok kids today we are learning CPR. yaaaaay!
Besides the act of administering CPR correctly itself, you also need to be aware that in a group situation, YOU NEED to step up and take action (to counter the bystander effect and also increase social proof) but be aware that maybe someone else may know CPR better than you and that person thinks you have it under control (Diffusion of responsibility?) so shout out: "any medical professionals available to assist, I need help here!" whilst able to talk doing the chest compressions.

Very good Mary, excellent keep it up Tommy, no Robert you need to tilt the head back first and block the nose, Sam shout louder.....

Very good class Id be happy to have CPR performed on me in a crysis.

Homework today is go home and tell your parents what you did and spread the word."

etc. perhaps?
 
That is pretty appalling, I would at least try to help in that situation. Though what people have said about currents etc is true as well, I would have to weigh up the dangers before I risked my life doing something like that. It sounds harsh but I would be more inclined to help a child or young person than someone a bit older, partly because they would be easier to manoeuver and partly because I would feel that risking my own life for a child would be worth it, whereas risking my life for someone old wouldn't probably be worth it. Also adults etc are not helpless in the same way that children are, so I would expect them to be able to look after themself.
 
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misterPK said:
It would be intresting to know how many people actually have some kind of first aid qualification. I'm currently waiting to go on a course with work to renew mine.

PK!
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I'm First Aid trained :D

Work made me do it :p
Still handy stuff to know imo
 
Oxlde said:
Actually crysis situations like this need to be taught at school and role played.

i.e.

'Ok kids today we are learning CPR. yaaaaay!
Besides the act of administering CPR correctly itself, you also need to be aware that in a group situation, YOU NEED to step up and take action (to counter the bystander effect and also increase social proof) but be aware that maybe someone else may know CPR better than you and that person thinks you have it under control (Diffusion of responsibility?) so shout out: "any medical professionals available to assist, I need help here!" whilst able to talk doing the chest compressions.

Very good Mary, excellent keep it up Tommy, no Robert you need to tilt the head back first and block the nose, Sam shout louder.....

Very good class Id be happy to have CPR performed on me in a crysis.

Homework today is go home and tell your parents what you did and spread the word."

etc. perhaps?
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CPR is taught in most schools, or it was certainly taught at mine in PSHE lessons.
 
romperstomper said:
But what amazed me was the 6 young people on the beach that just watched him floating face down for 10 mins :confused:
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They probably didn't want to drown trying to rescue someone else...

Even if you are a good swimmer it doesn't mean you are capable of rescuing somone else, especially in the sea when there is currents and the man could regain consciousness and start panicking.
 
jidh007 said:
CPR is taught in most schools, or it was certainly taught at mine in PSHE lessons.
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I was referring to the additional training of how to act in the group dynamic of a crysis situation.

read RainMaker's link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_apathy

btw I am referring to a situation where it is safe to help someone - not when they are caught up in a current, and your trying to help, may make the situation worse i.e. now 2 ppl need rescuing instead of 1.
 
Yeah, I agree; more people should learn CPR and more people should get involved.



BTW what the **** is a "crysis"?
 
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