Fudding Motorcyclist!...

Simian

Simian

Simian

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Great Morning I had yesterday!... I've only really just calmed down now... hence posting now rather than yesterday and chancing a ban for swaries!!...

I was minding my own business getting onto the M4 at J16 (Swindon west) going East... traffic was slow moving in the 'Slow' Lane so I immediately slipped into the middle lane to overtake an HGV trundling along at 56mph... I did check my mirrors...

I did see the Nazzi on a Honda sport bike blatting down the off-ramp at ludicrous speed... doing the same manouver as me... He was (at the time of me pulling out) about 50 or so yards behind me... ample space if he was only going 60-70mph like most humans on entering a motorway... especially at 8am on a very busy stretch of motorway!..

He 'Over-Swerved' exaggerating the manouver to get round me and looking back at me scowled at me through his visor and did a 'Use your *bleep*ing eyes' gesture at me!... which I stared back at him and shrugged... he then (still in the 'Fast' lane) slowed so I undertook him, and the next second he was blasting past me and kicked my wing mirror!... smashing it against the side of my car... :mad:

Looking back over his shoulder and speeding off through traffic at what must have been a 'tun-up' as he knew I couldn't follow...

Unfortunatly due to he Glass from my wing mirror now flapping around by the heating wires smacking the side of my door and window at 70mph looked like it was going to come off... I didn't get the arogant *bleep*ers number... so trying to avoid a pile-up I slid across the 'slow' lane and onto the hard shoulder..

Unfortunatly the Cone fairy had put some very large cones along the hard shoulder that morning (he was about 300 yards up from me) so I had to go ploughing through the cones... knocking on into traffic and smashing the light on top of it!..

I had to sit there for at least 20 minutes till I'd stopped shaking and swaring!!..

Luckily the glass wasn't smashed and the housing was fine (Honda build their wing mirrors strong!).. but the element for the heating was peeling off the back of the glass!... I pushed it back on with a nice click... and went off to Honda to see what it was going to cost! (I'd heard that these things can cost quite a lot... especially from a dealer like Honda!)

Thankfully its only £35... but thats not the point...

1) its £35 I can't really afford this month,
2) The rider had no concept of 'Dangerouse Driving' which I see more and more with some riders,
3) the Criminal Damage to my property, because I was in 'His Lane' when he wanted to break the speed limit!.

I just wish I could ave got his Licence number (A*53 ***) to solve points 2 and 3 and get back the costs in point 1...

Some of my friends have said its getting a more common occurence now... Motorcyclists lashing out... its the SMIDSY thing... but I DID see him and there was plenty of space if he'd been going the national speed limit!..:mad:

Anyhew... Sorry for the BIG post... I had to get it off my chest so I Just thought I'd share!...
Sim.
 
Sounds like a Prat who gives us all a bad name. Hope your ok and the car gets sorted quickly.

Just for the record though he might have swerved a long way out but thats required for us to make a quick direction change. We can either move a small amount slowly or a large amount fast, so while very nimble a bike tends to be all or nothing, in every respect! He shouldn't have been blatting that fast into heavy traffic anyway but I thought I should explain.
 
Tad harsh, on his behalf I mean...To kick your wing mirror, I'm surprised you didn't swerve.

I hate bikers sometimes, they seem to have different laws, like overtaking in stand still traffic on the other side of the road on solid hatched lines...

Them bike adverts as well..."THINK: Cyclist/Motorcycle"...No, I think something else normally. :rolleyes:

Luckily it is 'only' £35 though, I've seen some wing mirrors cost heading towards the £100 mark for some reason.

*Obviously not every biker is a twonk, but you get my drift :)...I shant start on car drivers...ooh er
 
Whilst I don't agree with the lashing out and hitting your mirror, you technically are in the wrong. You spotted him, didn't judge his speed correctly and continued to manoeuvre in front of him as he was trying to go past you.

He shouldn't have been going fast in the traffic though I admit.

InvG
 
InvaderGIR said:
Whilst I don't agree with the lashing out and hitting your mirror, you technically are in the wrong. You spotted him, didn't judge his speed correctly and continued to manoeuvre in front of him as he was trying to go past you.

He shouldn't have been going fast in the traffic though I admit.

InvG
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Erm no... I was on the Motorway... already... he was half way up the on ramp speeding up!... what should I have done?!?!?... some arogant biker wants to enter a 70mph zone doing 100mph+ just because he can!...

If he was doing the posted 70mph... into very heavy traffic all moving at about that speed (except for the HGV's in the slow lane) then he wouldn't have had any problem... there was masses of room between him and me!...

So!... Who's in the wrong?!?!?!... :rolleyes:
 
And so the Biker v Car driver argument begins :p

If you have signalled your intentions adequatly he would have known you were coming out, also he should have been riding defensively anyway as a biker. So by overtaking you as you were approaching slower traffic would not have been a wise move.
 
Have a pointless :rolleyes: as well. :/

I don't agree at all with what the biker did, but if you spotted him before surely you noticed he wasn't going at a sensible speed so you could have waited a very short while, let him get on with trying to kill himself and then performed your manoeuvre...I'm sure that's how I was taught to drive, checking mirrors, judging other people's speed and if it's safe to do my planned action.

If he'd swung wide and carried on and ignored you, this thread wouldn't be here, the fact that he was a complete idiot and decided to damage your car is why this thread is.

I'm a car driver, and not a biker by the way. :)

InvG
 
I'm sure most bikers are sane, level headed people normally. The problem is because some of them ride like *insert what you like here* they are so pumped up on adrenalin that the slightest thing makes them go ballistic in a "OMFG you could have killed me even though I put myself in that position due to my riding style" way. I've seen bikers slam their fists into bonnets and even a really brave one get some guy by the collar and threaten them... whilst keeping safely behind a helmet of course...

Anyway don't let it shake you up too much, there isn't much you can do about these people :(
 
The knocking the wing mirror was totally out of order - I hate when idiots give us other bikers a bad name.

Having said that, if we posted a thread everytime a car driver acted like a **** and nearly killed us there would be dozens of threads a day.

Yes, there are idiot bikers, just as there are car drivers.
 
InvaderGIR said:
Have a pointless :rolleyes: as well. :/

I don't agree at all with what the biker did, but if you spotted him before surely you noticed he wasn't going at a sensible speed so you could have waited a very short while, let him get on with trying to kill himself and then performed your manoeuvre...I'm sure that's how I was taught to drive, checking mirrors, judging other people's speed and if it's safe to do my planned action.

If he'd swung wide and carried on and ignored you, this thread wouldn't be here, the fact that he was a complete idiot and decided to damage your car is why this thread is.

I'm a car driver, and not a biker by the way. :)

InvG
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Sorry... Still a bit peeved about the damage to my car... the front wing is nicely scratched from its encounter with the cones too!!...

Anyhew... at the time of seeing him half way down the on ramp he looked to be doing a steady 60-70mph due to other traffic on the ramp with him (two other cars when I checked)... its only as he got onto the motorway passing these cars as he did so, that he opened the taps... at that point I was half way through my overtaking of the lorry...

What was I supposed to do then?!?... I've been driving for about 16 years I'm pretty observant... I have never had this sort of thing happen before!!... I'm starting to hate going out anywhere!!
 
Simian said:
Sorry... Still a bit peeved about the damage to my car... the front wing is nicely scratched from its encounter with the cones too!!...
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:( I hate cones, they look soft but really aren't.

Simian said:
Anyhew... at the time of seeing him half way down the on ramp he looked to be doing a steady 60-70mph due to other traffic on the ramp with him (two other cars when I checked)... its only as he got onto the motorway passing these cars as he did so, that he opened the taps... at that point I was half way through my overtaking of the lorry...
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Fair enough, I wasn't sure if it was a case of spotting him and ignoring basically, or the biker then gunning it when on the road, so doing more etc. :)

Simian said:
What was I supposed to do then?!?... I've been driving for about 16 years I'm pretty observant... I have never had this sort of thing happen before!!... I'm starting to hate going out anywhere!!
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Hit the gimp! :p Seriously though, nothing much other than what you did. :) Just a shame that the biker was a complete **** really, as has been said, gives them a bad name, even if there are good bikers out there (I've met loads of good ones, not many idiots...luckily for me). :(

InvG
 
[TW]Fox;12626257 said:
Are you telling us you drove INTO the cones on a Motorway :confused:
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There was no where else to go... the glass from my wing mirror was flapping about on the heater wires hitting my door and window... Plus I was shocked and screaming obcenaties in the *bleep*ers direction... the only option I saw was to as quickly and safely as possible get out of traffic...

The cones had only just been put out (the bloke was about 300 or so yard ahead of me)... but because I was coming down from 70mph, the gap between the cones wasn't enough to miss them!...

So Yeah... I drove INTO the cones!..
 
I agree with InvG. You didn't judge his speed correctly and knew what he was going to do. Yet you still pulled out in front of him.

He is an absolute tit-end though.
 
He was an idiot and what he did was totally unjustified, illegal and dangerous however you don't make the best case for yourself here.

1) How do you know he was a 'Nazzi' ?
2) Why did you move out when clearly you already knew he was doing 'ludicrous speed', did you honestly expect the 'Nazzi' to do 56mph behind the lorry ... after all you weren't going to and you knew already he was going faster than you were so surely you were keeping an eye on the 'Nazzi' ?
3) When you change lanes you are creating a hazard, you are expected to judge what is in front of you and behind you, allow for it's speed, signal and then manoeuvre, pulling out on anyone - especially a 'Nazzi' on a Honda is a bad idea. they have ways of making you talk.
4) Hitting cones is bad, move into the inside lane, reduce your speed and pull off when it's safe to do so, hitting cones is absolute last resort stuff, you could have caused another vehicle to swerve thereby causing another accident.

If I was in your position, knowing he was doing excessive speed and only 50 yards behind me i'd not have pulled out on him and let him get on with it but then as someone who used to ride 24k a year on a bike perhaps i'm slightly more bike aware than most car drivers.
 
peterattheboro said:
I agree with InvG. You didn't judge his speed correctly and knew what he was going to do. Yet you still pulled out in front of him.

He is an absolute tit-end though.
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How could I have 'Known what he was going to do'... I'm not a mind reader!... I have quite a few 'Biker' friends who drive sensibly... I didn't expect to come p against one complete Knob in Leather with a speed fetish in heavy traffic!...
 
The thing is - I find the majority of motorcyclists are good road users.
They know what they are doing, they are careful and fully appreciate that in an accident with anything other than another bike they are going to come out of it second best.

The problem I have is that there are all of these campaigns out there to "watch for motorcyclists" and to be honest they have worked on me a little bit.
I do spend that little longer checking at a junction and in my mirrors to make sure there isn't one about.
However there seems to be a hardcore group out there who feel it is totally the responsibility of me, the motorist to watch for them and they can just do what they like.

I find it similar to the "Baby on Board" stickers I see on cars.
I really don't care if you've got a baby on board or not - that baby is your responsibility and not mine!
It's the same with these "few" motorcyclists - sure I'll look out for you and do my best to avoid you.
However if you arse around and make my life difficult then it is your responsibility!

There is no reason why motorcylists and car drivers can't get on - unfortunately there are some on both sides that just don't want to.
 
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