No he's not. Scholes doesn't roam forward, but he's the one that's given the job of wandering. Carrick is clearly told to sit behind him, collect the ball and play it to the wide-men.
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No he's not. Scholes doesn't roam forward, but he's the one that's given the job of wandering. Carrick is clearly told to sit behind him, collect the ball and play it to the wide-men.
I was only messing Nokkon but seriously if you don't rate Mascherano then you're losing your marbles. Many Liverpool fans had him down as our player of the season last season and although i'd have gone for Gerrard, i can fully understand why. The guy is the only top class out and out defensive midfielder in the EPL and is fast becoming as important to our side as Gerrard.
Don't get me wrong, sometimes you need an ankle biter. We have Fletcher and it's very handy against other top sides, it's why Fletcher tends to play against Chelsea.
As a footballer he doesn't really offer anything though, he can't really pass, he's useless from set-pieces and he's not a leader on the pitch.
As I said, he may turn into a top player, but at the moment he's a lot of huff and puff that gives away ridiculous fouls on the edge of the box. The way Liverpool fans talk about him reminds me of how Newcastle fans talk about Steven Taylor.
As a footballer he doesn't really offer anything though, he can't really pass, he's useless from set-pieces and he's not a leader on the pitch.
As I said, he may turn into a top player, but at the moment he's a lot of huff and puff that gives away ridiculous fouls on the edge of the box. The way Liverpool fans talk about him reminds me of how Newcastle fans talk about Steven Taylor.
He's not as comfortable on the ball as Gerrard but he's certainly not bad on it and he most certainly is a leader on the pitch. Makelele offered nothing other than his defensive ability but that didn't stop him being regarded as world class.
And it's not just Liverpool fans, Maradona has said several times that Mascherano (not Messi etc) is Argentina's most important player.
And it's not just Liverpool fans, Maradona has said several times that Mascherano (not Messi etc) is Argentina's most important player.
And the Argentines believe it is Tevez. They're wrong of course, and Maradona knows very little about the game. I must admit though, Mascherano looks better in the National team than at Liverpool, it's probably the system though (and also having 2x DMC's - Cambiasso being the other, so does half the work).
Unless you watch 90mins of them week in week out it's hard for defensive player to get the praise they deserve from fans of other club because the work they do doesn't get shown on all the highlight shows.
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lol BaZ, I've just stated in the other thread (Best 11) that I do watch a lot of Liverpools games. I do agree though, Match of the Day last week, Man Utd vs Blackburn is a great example. It made it look like Anderson did very little, yet he was immense, in fact he got Man of the Match on the EPL site.
Even as a Liverpool fan I'm going to have to disagree!
Though not given enough games from what I've seen of Babel he's got a long way to come. So many times he'll burn it down the wing then completely fail to get round the right back, plus he can almost be guaranteed to cut inside.
I'm happy to proved wrong this season, but at this point I'm going to have to concede to utd.
If you really want to push it the best you could say that they both defend just as much as they attack but even then you'd be wrong
This is a liverpool supporter that actually talks sense!
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I wouldnt even have Gerrard from that Liverpool midfield and only because of one fact.....
Gerrard doesnt play the same way in any other shirt than Liverpool's colours - even on 95% of england duty he just doesnt have the same drive as playing in the CL/EPL/FACup
From a squad point of view , yes I think its probably the best Utd have ever had, but Im not convinced the elements (Defence, Midfield, Attack) when cut down are the best.....they just work better together than anything previously available
There is no point trying to compare Keane to anyone else - he is/was a one off (as a player), if OH can get fully fit (rather than his claimed 70% last season) then he can get pretty darn close to the dynamite quality we lost when Keane left, but even then he is a totally different type of player (what a free kick taker)
Gerrard doesnt play the same way in any other shirt than Liverpool's colours - even on 95% of england duty he just doesnt have the same drive as playing in the CL/EPL/FACup
From a squad point of view , yes I think its probably the best Utd have ever had, but Im not convinced the elements (Defence, Midfield, Attack) when cut down are the best.....they just work better together than anything previously available
There is no point trying to compare Keane to anyone else - he is/was a one off (as a player), if OH can get fully fit (rather than his claimed 70% last season) then he can get pretty darn close to the dynamite quality we lost when Keane left, but even then he is a totally different type of player (what a free kick taker)
Andymofo has been smoking something tbh
If our Midfield was as good as the Mancs then we would have been a hell of a lot closer last season.
Masc, yes good player, but theres a lot to come from lad, Gerrard is pure class, anyone who says otherwise is a Manc or a bitter (but FJH is correct), Alonso, 3 seasons ago was better than Carrick or OH, not now tho, and Babel is again potential.Riera is ok, gives us balance but ive not seen enough of him to say whether he is the missing link.
Problem we have is that we have a plan A, and er thats about it, United now have the players for plan A and B, and their 'potential' players are leagues ahead of ours imo, and so they should be, Nani and Anderson, werent cheap.
If our Midfield was as good as the Mancs then we would have been a hell of a lot closer last season.
Masc, yes good player, but theres a lot to come from lad, Gerrard is pure class, anyone who says otherwise is a Manc or a bitter (but FJH is correct), Alonso, 3 seasons ago was better than Carrick or OH, not now tho, and Babel is again potential.Riera is ok, gives us balance but ive not seen enough of him to say whether he is the missing link.
Problem we have is that we have a plan A, and er thats about it, United now have the players for plan A and B, and their 'potential' players are leagues ahead of ours imo, and so they should be, Nani and Anderson, werent cheap.
I wouldn't be wrong. Scholes doesn't/can't defend. Carrick wins countless tackles in midfield. Carrick rarely roams to the edge of the box, Scholes can be found round there on every attack.
How you can say Scholes is the defender whilst Carrick is the attacker makes me wonder if you watch Man Utd.
Like wise, but then again it took you a year after everyone else before you admitted that you were wrong about Evra as well so....
Evra was rubbish when I said so and I maintain that. He convinced me over time, not over night and I also wasn't the only one not rating him.
I would hazard I guess I've forgotten more about Man Utd than you know. I suggest you watch them because Carrick is quite clearly the defensive of the two. Maybe that's why everyone talks about how Carrick should be the DM for England, odd for someone you're describing as an attacking midfielder.
Scholes started his career as a striker, dropped to an attacking midfielder where he has played ever since for well over a decade. Every fan watching, every pundit ever, every game ever and every game for the last 3 seasons he has been the attacking midfielder of the two, partly because he cannot tackle where as last season Carrick had a far superior tackling ratio to Michael Essien... not bad for an attacking midfielder, eh?
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Tom84 I'm not quite sure why you're arguing this, you're just plain wrong I'm afraid.