"Ghost" Picture

Lysander said:
No-one's stopped to think that if you were to take a picture of an altar you'd do so when there wasn't anyone in front of it. A pretty easy feat to accomplish. I have been to many foreign churches and taken the odd picture and you always do so when there's no-one walking in front of the camera.
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I did think of that but unfortunately people sometimes walk in front of cameras while you are taking pictures, in fact I've done it myself and with a relatively long exposure period you increase the chances of it occurring.

Lysander said:
The strange thing about the photograph is the way in which the figure's moving. It's not a normal way of walking, a lot of the weight is transferred towards the back foot. There's certainly something very unusual about the photograph, and if the person who took it swears there was no-one there it could be something out of the ordinary, possibly supernatural.
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I don't think it looks that unusual other than you've got a blurred person walking in front of the camera but it is of course possible that something supernatural occurred here - I'm just suggesting the odds are against it. Where you've got two (or even multiple) competing possible explanations then I usually prefer to take the simplest, that may be laziness or to allow my brain to reconcile some of the contents but I'd usually try to say that it is because I don't want to add in unnecessary complexity - why grasp for a more convoluted explanation when a simple one adequately covers the circumstances?

Lysander said:
But OCUK, as usual, is all about taking the straight and narrow, most obvious inside-the-box route and trying to appear as clever as possible in the process when this is, in fact, a forum of computer nerds, a lot of whom have never had intimate contact with any woman apart from their mother and whose meiotic processes are forced to remain permanently on overdrive.
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I've left this in for the sake of completeness but it scarcely merits a comment as a form of argumentum ad hominem. Well done for throwing meiosis into the mix though, I've just had to look that up so thank you for that.
 
DampCat said:
Cameras are a set of mirrors and lenses. They are not a window to another dimension.
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Brilliant :)

Lysander said:
It's not a normal way of walking, a lot of the weight is transferred towards the back foot.
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Zoom in and you will see that around the waist it is one person that has been split.
The top part is to the left of the bottom part.
It is not someone leaning back.
The camera must have juddered.
 
The way I see it is that if the person who took the picture was unaware of anyone else being there in front of the camera [in that position] then it's possible that something supernatural is present. What - it's hard to say. Why would anyone take a picture of an altar with someone bang in front of it unless they knew that person?

semi-pro waster said:
Where you've got two (or even multiple) competing possible explanations then I usually prefer to take the simplest, that may be laziness or to allow my brain to reconcile some of the contents but I'd usually try to say that it is because I don't want to add in unnecessary complexity - why grasp for a more convoluted explanation when a simple one adequately covers the circumstances?
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This is exactly what most people do, but there can be other explanations as you well know. We normally go for the easiest one because it means we don't have to think more - and to avoid ridicule. There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation for this photograph, but if that person was not there when it was taken, one of the possibilities is that there is a paranormal explanation.
 
Lysander said:
The way I see it is that if the person who took the picture was unaware of anyone else being there in front of the camera [in that position] then it's possible that something supernatural is present. What - it's hard to say. Why would anyone take a picture of an altar with someone bang in front of it unless they knew that person?



This is exactly what most people do, but there can be other explanations as you well know. We normally go for the easiest one because it means we don't have to think more - and to avoid ridicule. There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation for this photograph, but if that person was not there when it was taken, one of the possibilities is that there is a paranormal explanation.
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"entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem"

"entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity".

Occam's razor
Paraphrased as "All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one." :D

Com on this is not even a ghostly picture is it when you cut right down to the bone, explanation wise who knows but the fact was the figure walked into shot and was obviously missed by the person taking it, all it take is that 3 seconds to get the top of your frame right and the eye has missed the bottom half.

Also a good indication it might have been snapped without care is that the actual person in the frame that is obvious at the pews is blurred……
 
jebus, how is this thread still going?. Lysander, you are wrong. There is no ghost, there is simply a long shutter speed. I have taken thousands of photos that feature exactly the same effect. If I were to think that each of them contained a ghost I'd have admitted myself to the psych ward a long time ago. Grow the **** up, this is not buffy the vampire slayer.
 
Lysander said:
The way I see it is that if the person who took the picture was unaware of anyone else being there in front of the camera [in that position] then it's possible that something supernatural is present. What - it's hard to say. Why would anyone take a picture of an altar with someone bang in front of it unless they knew that person?
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The chances are that they weren't taking a picture of the person and that they just walked in front, hence the claims of "there was no-one there" because they weren't expecting anyone to be there.

Lysander said:
This is exactly what most people do, but there can be other explanations as you well know. We normally go for the easiest one because it means we don't have to think more - and to avoid ridicule. There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation for this photograph, but if that person was not there when it was taken, one of the possibilities is that there is a paranormal explanation.
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We're splitting hairs here but there is a distinct difference at times between possible and plausible. It is possible that there is a para/supernormal explanation for this but it isn't particularly plausible given that almost all similar pictures I've ever seen have explanations that are both mundane and frequently patently obvious to boot.

If you wish to ascribe this to me trying to avoid ridicule or just not being willing to question then that is your choice. All I'd say is that sometimes things are really as simple as they seem, looking for hidden meanings and complex explanations may just be a waste of time.
 
Lysander said:
No-one's stopped to think that if you were to take a picture of an altar you'd do so when there wasn't anyone in front of it. A pretty easy feat to accomplish. I have been to many foreign churches and taken the odd picture and you always do so when there's no-one walking in front of the camera.

The strange thing about the photograph is the way in which the figure's moving. It's not a normal way of walking, a lot of the weight is transferred towards the back foot.
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That's entirely normal. Try walking with weight on your front foot (the one you lift to put in front of the other one).


There's certainly something very unusual about the photograph, and if the person who took it swears there was no-one there it could be something out of the ordinary, possibly supernatural. But OCUK, as usual, is all about taking the straight and narrow, most obvious inside-the-box route and trying to appear as clever as possible in the process when this is, in fact, a forum of computer nerds, a lot of whom have never had intimate contact with any woman apart from their mother and whose meiotic processes are forced to remain permanently on overdrive.
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It's unusual in that a moving man has walked in front of the camera and got blurred by the long exposure time. The blurry background would also suggest a poorly steadied camera and long exposure time. His mum and sister most likely just forgot about this write-off photo or were distracted whilst taking it and didn't notice the man quickly walk past - you don't tend to intentionally take photos with people you don't know in front of an altar after all.


I don't think stating the most likely scenario rather than striving desperately for the paranormal makes us short-sighted virgins btw. I think you might be reading into things a bit too much. ;)
 
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