LCD Or Plasma

entireweb said:
Every heard of LTE???

But any how I was more talking about HD from Blu ray or .mkv. There are already satellite HD channels broadcasting at 10-20mbps.
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Actually, no, I'd not heard of it.

Yes, there are HD channels broadcasting at that rate, but relatively speaking there aren't that many and for Freeview HD it's going to be a very tight squeeze indeed.

I could say who needs film download; I can order a blu-ray from Lovefim and it arrives in the post the following day (never under estimate the bandwidth of a van) which is an excellent ddelivery rate.

SD isn't dead (it might be fore you, but not for most people) and it's not likely to die for a while yet. Most people still watch TV at the time the programme they want to watch is on, rather than download or even timeshift.

entireweb said:
I sit about 10 foot away from a 1080p 42" and the difference between 720p and 1080p is quite noticable.
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Good, you have very good eyesight that you should be proud of, although it's also worth noting that a lot of other posters in this thread have pointed out that the PZ you own doesn't handle lower resolution pictures as well as it does 1080p, so that may be having an impact as well.
 
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[DOD]Asprilla;12733774 said:
Well that's all well and good for people who download and watch later, but the vast majority of folks don't to that, they watch the programme they wanted to at the alotted time each week. I could say who needs film download; I can order a blu-ray from Lovefim and it arrives in the post the following day (never under estimate the bandwidth of a van) which is an excellent ddelivery rate.
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I personally see it the other way around. The future IMO is download. We just need the infrastructure and hardware in place. The Infrastructure is coming, via wireless and fibre broadband and the hardware (which is available now) will become as cheap as a "freeview" box in a year or two. To me it is pretty stupid to print a disc, post it, watch it and send it back. Surely it must be much better to pull down a film list on the TV and hit play. I dont live in the UK but I here that the BBC iPlayer is very popular. Its limiting factor is its relative low bit rate. Imagine a souped up HD version of the iPlayer for instance. I also think we will be all be downloading HD on mobile phones, taking the phone home and streaming it to your HD set, in a few years.
 
I can not see HD on phones for a long time. I would agree that HD download services are the next link in the chain. Sadly we are not at that yet and I would expect them to start off as limited speed/SD stream rates and then progress to full HD with time.

I suspect phones will not pass much past SD quality. You would always be better off downloading things whilst out and about at home and then having your pc stream to your tv.
 
[DOD]Asprilla;12733774 said:
Good, you have very good eyesight that you should be proud of, although it's also worth noting that a lot of other posters in this thread have pointed out that the PZ you own doesn't handle lower resolution pictures as well as it does 1080p, so that may be having an impact as well.
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No he hasn't, he is the messiah reincarnated if he can notice the difference at that distance. Scratch that, I can't even notice at that distance with binoculars :D

It isn't possible buddy our eyes don't have that resolution.

I have 6:4 vision with my contacts in (btter than 20:20) and can just about notice 1080p vs 720p at 10ft, and this was with the 2 sets side by side and professionally calibrated (50 inchers). It took me 10mins and, trust me, I have seen a lot of tvs.
 
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It isn't possible buddy our eyes don't have that resolution.
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My thoughts exactly, but I didn't want to say it in so succinctly ;)

As for HD downloads I don't doubt it's the future but there are a lot of obstacles both on the technological and customer acceptance sides to overcome before we get there. It will happen but it won't be quick.
 
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Ran into an old schoolmate on *** train the other day, he works at credit suisse.

Him: 'WOW I heard they are bringing out HD 16x better than HD at the moment'.

Me: :D:D:D
 
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No he hasn't, he is the messiah reincarnated if he can notice the difference at that distance. Scratch that, I can't even notice at that distance with binoculars :D

It isn't possible buddy our eyes don't have that resolution.

I have 6:4 vision with my contacts in (btter than 20:20) and can just about notice 1080p vs 720p at 10ft, and this was with the 2 sets side by side and professionally calibrated (50 inchers). It took me 10mins and, trust me, I have seen a lot of tvs.
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How do you mean resolution? Do our eyes work on resolution?



I can recommend the Samsung Plasma Panels, superb value for money :)
 
Fothsn said:
How do you mean resolution? Do our eyes work on resolution?



I can recommend the Samsung Plasma Panels, superb value for money :)
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Sort of, just think of being able to see 1080p in these ways. You can look down a beach from a distance and not be able to see individual grains for sand, or you can look at the bottom of your new lapped heatsink and won't be able to notice the crevaces in the metal which can be seen on a TEM (transmission electron microscope).


I use the term resolution, as it crops up a lot for me coming from an engineering background, and did materials science at uni where I learned about metals, polymers and ceramics down to the atomic level and their structures ;)


Ours eyes are limited and can only see soo much, so going on about telling the difference between 1080p and 720p on a 42 inch set at 10ft isn't really possible, because you can't see the larger pixels on the 720p set so how on earth can you see the smaller pixels on a 1080p set. i used to think that the difference was massive, but then I literally had my eyes opened by being able to compare 2 excellent sets, the 768p Pio 508xd and the latest 5090 1080p set side-by side with the same blu-ray showing. Even on these 50inch sets at 10 ft I was just about able to make out the difference in the pixel structure, but had to go up to 5ft to be sure. The guys in the shop wouldn't tell me which screen was which, so made it more fun :D

Samsung sets are ok, picture quality ain't bad at all, just everything else with them is hit and miss. your set might be mainly fault free but there is also a chance it will have loads of problems, certain parts will blow and need replacing, and with samsung not having a dedicated UK tech support team, it can be tricky to sort out.
 
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-Ad- said:
No he hasn't, he is the messiah reincarnated if he can notice the difference at that distance. Scratch that, I can't even notice at that distance with binoculars :D

It isn't possible buddy our eyes don't have that resolution.

I have 6:4 vision with my contacts in (btter than 20:20) and can just about notice 1080p vs 720p at 10ft, and this was with the 2 sets side by side and professionally calibrated (50 inchers). It took me 10mins and, trust me, I have seen a lot of tvs.
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I said ABOUT 10 feet. I dont sit there with a tape measure FFS. Maybe its 6 feet, any how who cares.

There is also a difference between a 1:1 pixel mapped picture and one that isnt. I notice the scaler adds artifacts when it upscales a 720p to native 1080p. This is mainly why 1080p looks better to me. Also one major advantage of a 1080p screen when using a HTPC is that the screen has more real estate, like a higher res PC monitor.
 
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Sort of, just think of being able to see 1080p in these ways. You can look down a beach from a distance and not be able to see individual grains for sand, or you can look at the bottom of your new lapped heatsink and won't be able to notice the crevaces in the metal which can be seen on a TEM (transmission electron microscope).


I use the term resolution, as it crops up a lot for me coming from an engineering background, and did materials science at uni where I learned about metals, polymers and ceramics down to the atomic level and their structures ;)


Ours eyes are limited and can only see soo much, so going on about telling the difference between 1080p and 720p on a 42 inch set at 10ft isn't really possible, because you can't see the larger pixels on the 720p set so how on earth can you see the smaller pixels on a 1080p set. i used to think that the difference was massive, but then I literally had my eyes opened by being able to compare 2 excellent sets, the 768p Pio 508xd and the latest 5090 1080p set side-by side with the same blu-ray showing. Even on these 50inch sets at 10 ft I was just about able to make out the difference in the pixel structure, but had to go up to 5ft to be sure. The guys in the shop wouldn't tell me which screen was which, so made it more fun :D

Samsung sets are ok, picture quality ain't bad at all, just everything else with them is hit and miss. your set might be mainly fault free but there is also a chance it will have loads of problems, certain parts will blow and need replacing, and with samsung not having a dedicated UK tech support team, it can be tricky to sort out.
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Thanks for the lecture, but the term you should be looking for is "angular resolution", not "resolution".
 
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No he hasn't, he is the messiah reincarnated if he can notice the difference at that distance. Scratch that, I can't even notice at that distance with binoculars :D

It isn't possible buddy our eyes don't have that resolution.

I have 6:4 vision with my contacts in (btter than 20:20) and can just about notice 1080p vs 720p at 10ft, and this was with the 2 sets side by side and professionally calibrated (50 inchers). It took me 10mins and, trust me, I have seen a lot of tvs.
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Do you think its possible this might be a different outcome if the two sets were not Pioneers, I mean people other than Pioneer do make TV's you know. Afterall you have seen lots of TV's but it was only the Pio 50" that opened your eyes to the lack of difference.
 
entireweb said:
There is also a difference between a 1:1 pixel mapped picture and one that isnt. I notice the scaler adds artifacts when it upscales a 720p to native 1080p.
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Similarly it adds artifacts when upscaling from 720p (as most HD broadcasts are) to 1080p. The more you scale, the more change you have of artifacts, hence some 1080p screens struggle to show SD as well as some 720p screens.


entireweb said:
This is mainly why 1080p looks better to me. Also one major advantage of a 1080p screen when using a HTPC is that the screen has more real estate, like a higher res PC monitor.
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Absolutely. I'd always recommend a 1080p LCD for anyone who is going to be a substantive desktop user.
 
Bargain:

TH42PZ80B The BEST 1080P 42" Panasonic Plasma under 1K, now ONLY 684.99

Bit of an ugly set mind you. As for SD, i think My Sammy A656 looks better than the PX series Panasonics.
 
entireweb said:
Thanks for the lecture, but the term you should be looking for is "angular resolution", not "resolution".
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Resolution will do.

And for HTPC definately go for a 1080p screen, that is obvious though :)

Jonnycoupe said:
Do you think its possible this might be a different outcome if the two sets were not Pioneers, I mean people other than Pioneer do make TV's you know. Afterall you have seen lots of TV's but it was only the Pio 50" that opened your eyes to the lack of difference.
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Really, OTHER tv manufacturers, you don't say :rolleyes::D

I actually made a mistake in that post. It wasn't the 5090 and 508Xd being compared, that was the demo the following weekend. The tvs I did compare were the 508xd and the lx508 for my 1080p test, which are essentially identical sets but with the lx having 1080p.

What I don't like on here is when people go on about the difference being there from umpteen feet, and have tried to test it on either their own set somehow, or on 2 totally different sets in a store. It's like trying to compare apples to rocks.

With the demo I had, the tvs were nigh on identical, and both were fully ISFd. Therefore most of the other PQ differences were eliminated leaving the only major difference being the amount of pixels on the screen. This is the only real way to tell the actual difference between 1080p and 720p, comparing a panasonic px80 plasma to a 1080p samsung lcd in a bright store, with incorrect settings really doesn't give anything useful.
 
So there wasnt much difference, yet you still got the 1080p one.... and i guess its not ISF'd yet anyway?

I dont get why people give out advice thats different to what they did :confused: Good to see you answered the question you quoted aswell. Or are you too far from your screen to see the resolution of a question mark?
 
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