The Next Time You Eat Chicken

They do seem remarkably expensive for what they are, anyone with a modicum of DIY skill and patience should be able to knock up something suitable. It also seems rather small for up to 10 chickens, I'd put maybe three in a space that size as they like to wander about and scratch.
 
I love how nobody ever kicks off about the fact that fish/shellfish are just chucked about in huge vats. Some with water, some not and then maybe cooked alive.

I personally don't give a scoobys but it seems it boils down to this:

If its fluffy/has hair and can possibly look cute in its younger years then it deserves to be treated nicely.

If its a bit slimy/cold blooded then it does not matter if it drowns/gets cooked alive.

Surely if your going to advocate animal rights then make them apply to all! not just the ones that look good on cute animal calenders.

*I eat all meats and have been in the past a keen fisherman.
 
You want me to say that I don't agree with throwing lobsters or shellfish alive into boilng water? Ok, I don't agree with it but I'm also not someone who only wants the cute fluffy animals to be treated well.
 
jegz said:
I love how nobody ever kicks off about the fact that fish/shellfish are just chucked about in huge vats. Some with water, some not and then maybe cooked alive.

I personally don't give a scoobys but it seems it boils down to this:

If its fluffy/has hair and can possibly look cute in its younger years then it deserves to be treated nicely.

If its a bit slimy/cold blooded then it does not matter if it drowns/gets cooked alive.

Surely if your going to advocate animal rights then make them apply to all! not just the ones that look good on cute animal calenders.

*I eat all meats and have been in the past a keen fisherman.
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I agree, but at the end of the day a fish doesn't come when you call it's name, won't sit on your lap and doesn't really urge you to pick it up and cuddle it. I think that's what it boils down to for most people..
 
rghjones said:
I agree, but at the end of the day a fish doesn't come when you call it's name, won't sit on your lap and doesn't really urge you to pick it up and cuddle it. I think that's what it boils down to for most people..
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well how can you call it under water? (do fish even have ears?) and picking it up for a cuddle would be very distresing for somthing that often needs moving water.
 
rghjones said:
Exactly.. you can't do those things, that was my point? :confused:
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I dunno i read as if you where hinting they where inferiror because of it/not worth caring about.

Mainly because of your pro chicken kindness stance, yet said nothing agaisnt treating fish that way.

Meh if thats no what you ment then sorry.
 
No not at all, I just don't think you can become mentally attached to something if it's impossible to become physically attached to it, or it's much harder at least.

Edit: Also fish have much less of a personality than 'X cute pet'. If you ask someone what the best thing about their dog/cat is, they'll probably name something physical (ie. he always sits on my lap during Eastenders) or personality related (ie. he always gets freaked out when I sneeze, it's hilarious). Unfortunately for fish this'll never be the case!
 
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rghjones said:
I agree, but at the end of the day a fish doesn't come when you call it's name, won't sit on your lap and doesn't really urge you to pick it up and cuddle it. I think that's what it boils down to for most people..
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most people are sad, and emotionally unfulfilled then.
 
Tefal said:
because they don't love fish?

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No lol, because they personify animals, and choose to 'believe' only the cute and cuddly ones are any more 'intelligent' than a fish. Like the stupid vegetarians (who are vegetarian on principal) eat fish because they're not cute (which is essentially what it boils down to, because fish die a horrible death).

People just seem to make up whatever suits them, much like a kid who personifies a teddy bear. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but when we're talking about grown adults...
 
rghjones said:
No not at all, I just don't think you can become mentally attached to something if it's impossible to become physically attached to it, or it's much harder at least.

Edit: Also fish have much less of a personality than 'X cute pet'. If you ask someone what the best thing about their dog/cat is, they'll probably name something physical (ie. he always sits on my lap during Eastenders) or personality related (ie. he always gets freaked out when I sneeze, it's hilarious). Unfortunately for fish this'll never be the case!
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My Clownfish that I've had around 12 years know when I'm going to feed them, I think they recognise the cup I mix their food in. They go berserk when I approach the tank with their food.
When they die I think it will really upset me. We Humans get emotionally attached to anything.
 
JimpsEd said:
No lol, because they personify animals, and choose to 'believe' only the cute and cuddly ones are any more 'intelligent' than a fish. Like the stupid vegetarians (who are vegetarian on principal) eat fish because they're not cute (which is essentially what it boils down to, because fish die a horrible death).

People just seem to make up whatever suits them, much like a kid who personifies a teddy bear. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but when we're talking about grown adults...
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Intelligence has nothing to do with it.

Would you rather go out with a girl who has gorgeous flowing hair, soft tanned skin, always gives you a hug when you need one and snuggles up with you to watch a movie on a Saturday night, or a girl who stinks, you can't touch because she's so slimy, never answers her mobile when you ring her and forgets your name after a week? They both have the same level of intelligence.
 
Mik3 said:
My Clownfish that I've had around 12 years know when I'm going to feed them, I think they recognise the cup I mix their food in. They go berserk when I approach the tank with their food.
When they die I think it will really upset me. We Humans get emotionally attached to anything.
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They don't, all they see is a change in colour of the light and think it is a water disturbance close by (so they think your shadow and light obfuscation). Things bobbing about the surface or disturbing the light colour is usually food. So they'll go haywire, and presumably start bobbing up and down about the surface(?). Although fish have much longer memories than the "few seconds" people usually mistake them to have, it is no where near long enough nor is their associative memory complex enough to make and remember such an association that is non-innate.
 
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rghjones said:
Intelligence has nothing to do with it.

Would you rather go out with a girl who has gorgeous flowing hair, soft tanned skin, always gives you a hug when you need one and snuggles up with you to watch a movie on a Saturday night, or a girl who stinks, you can't touch because she's so slimy, never answers her mobile when you ring her and forgets your name after a week? They both have the same level of intelligence.
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If you're comparing an animal as a companion to a human as a companion, you're pretty deranged.
 
JimpsEd said:
They don't, all they see is a change in colour of the light and think it is a water disturbance close by (so they think your shadow and light obfuscation), and think you're food. So they'll go haywire, and presumably start bobbing up and down about the surface(?). Although fish have much longer memories than the "few seconds" people usually mistake them to have, it is no where near long enough nor is their associative memory complex enough to make and remember such an association that is non-innate.
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You think clownfish think somthing several hundred times thier size is food?

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JimpsEd said:
They don't, all they see is a change in colour of the light and think it is a water disturbance close by (so they think your shadow and light obfuscation), and think you're food. So they'll go haywire, and presumable start bobbing up and down about the surface(?)
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They dont respond unless I have the feeding cup in my hand.
 
Tefal said:
You think clownfish think somthing several hundred times thier size is food?

:confused:
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Fish, nor any animal is aware of their own size.

Fish in particular cannot 'make out' objects so big (not to mention how blurry things are anyway, looking out of a tank). All they see is what appears to be water disturbances (the effect of you coming close to the tank, and they mistake that effect).
 
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