Poll: McCain Vs Obama - Forum Vote
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Thats not the point, they are taking money of people who have got to where they have. They should not be punishing the rich. It is just ridiculous to tax people more because they earn more. OH LOOK I DID WELL IN LIFE, TIME TO GET PUNISHED.
Excuse me? I pay full rent, i have 3 other house mates. Dont go sticking your head in where it doesn't belong. I've not taken a single penny from my parents, I have paid all my education expenses, housing, food, car everything. Not even a text book was bought for me so I suggest you think before you jump to assumptions.
I didn't say I was better then poor people, I said poor people deserve my money. You make your own way in life and as far as I'm concerned if I was poor I wouldn't go scrounging of someone else.
The fact still stands, just because someone earns more money why should they be taxed more? What have they done to deserve their money to be taken away? $900 is still $900 of MY EARNED money.
And yes, chances are it will affect me sooner or later, $250,000 a year is only 2 or 3 steps up my career ladder.
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Yes, I grew up in the UK, moved a few years ago.
Cool, did you go to private school in the UK (presumably funded by your parents) or are you benefiting still from the education provided to you free of charge by the socialist government of the UK?
The latter, but I don't see why my parents had to pay more for the privilege. I was far less work then the scrotes that came from the ***** chav families who paid less tax. But oh wait, I am ver bad because my family earns more money!
And if that is some sort of pick at me saying I never took a penny from my parents that is unbelievably pathetic. I think it's reasonable to assume children have taken money from their parents until they are capable of earning their own.
A little redistribution is a good thing so long as it doesn't get out of control as it does here in the UK from time to time. Our labour party has a history of attempted social engineering through overzealous wealth redistribution. However, relatively tiny and probably un-noticed small amounts taken from wealthier people can make life much better for the very poorest elements of society and no civilized person in a civilized society should complain about it.
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Obama. McCain/Palin scares me. Four more (minimum) years of another Bush-style president would be bad for the world.
Not at all, just seems slightly ironic that someone who has clearly benefited a great deal from the UK's 'socialist' system is now so vehemently against wealth distribution.
As an example, you give an example of the '***** chav families' - do you think the quality of education that they received would be available to them in the USA?
And further, I suspect your parents would have paid a great deal more towards your education, healthcare than they did in the UK, had you grown up and lived in the USA.
Not having a dig at all, just find it quite amusing when people go on about how they've paid for everything when, in my experience, the majority of people in that position have been lucky enough to have enjoyed a huge advantage in life by virtue of having parents who are willing to do, or spend whatever it takes to get the best for them, whether it be by paying attention or by spending money where required.
Free of charge? In the same way that the NHS is free of charge? It is sad that people actually think that way.
No problem with that if that is your view - but consider this...
Entrepreneurs across the world, and historically, have a "mean *******" phase where greed and acquisition of wealth drive them. Then they sit down one day and realize they have made a fortue but it doesn't mean anything unless they give it away and improve the human condition in some way. Think of Bill gates as an example of this "Enlightened Phase".
People usually acquire personal wealth by screwing someone directly or indirectly. I believe that it is one of the paradoxes of capitalism that it can only work as long as there is someone left to exploit.
I'll bet your attitude changes in a decade or three
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What I am trying to get at here is I am strongly against wealth distribution when it goes to the wrong people. In the UK all I see is scum bags getting my hard earned money. That is completely unacceptable.
I do not however mind if my money was to go to those who REALLY need it, not I've got 12 kids and cant be ****ed to work. Genuine people who are having a hard time in life. Unfortunately with all these schemes it doesn't go like that, it usually becomes scum taking advantage of the system like in England.
If obama can promise me that my money will go to those really in need of it, sure I don't mind helping a little. But the level at which it is done in the UK is amazingly disrespectful.
I also dont want to see this getting carried away with, i.e Vouchers for this, vouchers for that, this insurance, that insurance, this benefit, that benefit. A strict and monitored system needs to be setup and there needs to be very little burden on the tax payer. We already do our bit but removing the incentive for hard work is not the way to go.
I do not however mind if my money was to go to those who REALLY need it, not I've got 12 kids and cant be ****ed to work. Genuine people who are having a hard time in life. Unfortunately with all these schemes it doesn't go like that, it usually becomes scum taking advantage of the system like in England.
If obama can promise me that my money will go to those really in need of it, sure I don't mind helping a little. But the level at which it is done in the UK is amazingly disrespectful.
I also dont want to see this getting carried away with, i.e Vouchers for this, vouchers for that, this insurance, that insurance, this benefit, that benefit. A strict and monitored system needs to be setup and there needs to be very little burden on the tax payer. We already do our bit but removing the incentive for hard work is not the way to go.
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No problem with that if that is your view - but consider this...
Entrepreneurs across the world, and historically, have a "mean *******" phase where greed and acquisition of wealth drive them. Then they sit down one day and realize they have made a fortue but it doesn't mean anything unless they give it away and improve the human condition in some way. Think of Bill gates as an example of this "Enlightened Phase".
I'll bet your attitude changes in a decade or three
The big difference there is that they choose to do it, rather than being forced to do it.
It doesn't really because it still costs. And I don't think I could say "at point of use" with regards to the NHS after the last month I have just had...
Thought Obama would come out on top, he seems to be concentrated on the country, whereas I heard from somewhere and agree that McCain still seems to be concentrated on insulting Obama.
Is the official election today or tomorrow?
Is the official election today or tomorrow?
No problem with that if that is your view - but consider this...
Entrepreneurs across the world, and historically, have a "mean *******" phase where greed and acquisition of wealth drive them. Then they sit down one day and realize they have made a fortue but it doesn't mean anything unless they give it away and improve the human condition in some way. Think of Bill gates as an example of this "Enlightened Phase".
People usually acquire personal wealth by screwing someone directly or indirectly. I believe that it is one of the paradoxes of capitalism that it can only work as long as there is someone left to exploit.
I'll bet your attitude changes in a decade or three
I dont doubt it at all, right now my goal in life to to earn a lot of money. When I'm older I'm sure I will see a different light but until then I maintain my views on Obama and his policies.
Just because the Daily Mail says it doesn't make it true. The vast - vast - majority of tax money goes on schools, hospitals, police, military (whether you think that's a good thing or not is up to you), services etc. I don't know how many families in the UK have 12 kids and can't be arsed to work (I know only 6% of families have four or more children), but I'll bet it's such an infinitesimal proportion that it's a complete non-issue.
Feel free to insert 'at point of use' if it helps.
Heh there you go, you're a socialist at heart really
I am not a socialist, Id much rather be left with my taxes and given the opportunity to give back in my own way and at a time that I feel I am ready for it. Those who do public service jobs such as health professionals, police, firemen etc etc should be given tax breaks. The US has a major problem with pediatricians because a) they don't pay enough and b) They have so much debt from med school they just cant afford to not specialize. If they gave tax breaks to them I'm sure the problem would dissolve somewhat.
The Tax system needs an overhaul in general. As does the UK system.