***OFFICAL*** Left 4 Dead Thread!

Airalith said:
So 8 hours of game play. If Fallout 3 had 8 hours of game play people would be screwing! And when the Dev's say 8 hours, everyone know it will actually take around 5-6 unless your playing with total *****... which makes it about the length of Portal.. a budget game.
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Since when were games priced depending on how long it took to complete? IF that were the case, everyone would just fill games up with useless missions(gta4) to make it last 50+ hours. I'd rather pay for a game that doesn't ever get boring and is a tight experience through out. Portal was worth $60 alone btw.
 
Airalith said:
So 8 hours of game play. If Fallout 3 had 8 hours of game play people would be screwing! And when the Dev's say 8 hours, everyone know it will actually take around 5-6 unless your playing with total *****... which makes it about the length of Portal.. a budget game.
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Sigh. You can't apply such thinking to games like Left 4 Dead. Why don't you go ahead and try and apply your thinking to

- Counter Strike
- Team Fortress 2
- Day of Defeat

OH WAIT YOU CAN'T

It's called 'multiplayer'. Portal was short, no doubt, but it's a single player game and it's perfectly valid to draw criticisms of its length, but trying to judge a multiplayer game from the same viewpoint just makes you look like a silly boy.
 
KNiVES said:
Sigh. You can't apply such thinking to games like Left 4 Dead. Why don't you go ahead and try and apply your thinking to

- Counter Strike
- Team Fortress 2
- Day of Defeat

OH WAIT YOU CAN'T
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Yes I can, all of those games were sold at cut price, something like the £12-£15 range. So you have just agreed with me, well done.

KNiVES said:
It's called 'multiplayer'. Portal was short, no doubt, but it's a single player game and it's perfectly valid to draw criticisms of its length, but trying to judge a multiplayer game from the same viewpoint just makes you look like a silly boy.
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Portal was a budget game, and L4D does have a single player component so drawing a comparison is easy and valid especially when there is no difference between the single play and the multiplayer, they simply have bots control the other players.

So content wise your talking about a game similar in size to many other multiplayer games, but sold at a much higher price.

My whole point is, they are charging full price when other games of similar length or content have been sold at a budget price, and this is a fact.
 
Airalith said:
Yes I can, all of those games were sold at cut price, something like the £12-£15 range. So you have just agreed with me, well done.



Portal was a budget game, and L4D does have a single player component so drawing a comparison is easy and valid especially when there is no difference between the single play and the multiplayer, they simply have bots control the other players.

So content wise your talking about a game similar in size to many other multiplayer games, but sold at a much higher price.

My whole point is, they are charging full price when other games of similar length or content have been sold at a budget price, and this is a fact.
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The simple reason for the price is the higher interest in the game before release.

The game looks worth the price to me, and I'm not exactly a saint when it comes to paying for games. If it doesn't look worth it to you then that's fair enough, but for me the enjoyment I will derive from the game (hopefully) is definitely worth ~£30. Other games with 'more' content that cost less (e.g. The Halo games, the CoD games, Spore, god knows what else) don't appeal and I won't be paying for/playing them. This is simply personal preference.

edit: Another comparison - The UrbanTerror mod for Quake3 (now standalone) is completely free and yet I've gotten hours upon hours of enjoyment from it and it's multiplayer-only 'content'. Compare this to Quake4, that I paid £25 for after searching for a 'bargain' - about an hour or two of boredom and badly broken gameplay before I put it away, never to be seen again.
 
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Herojuana said:
Actually all those games he quoted are purely multiplayer, L4D is single player, co-op and multiplayer.

Clever dick
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…with no difference between the single or multiplayer. So its multiplayer with bots.. ,yeh that’s worth double the price.

Why are people so militant on this forum, cant take a little criticism on the pricing of a game? For crying out load its not like I am saying the game will be rubbish, I just think its not priced right.
 
Airalith said:
…with no difference between the single or multiplayer. So its multiplayer with bots.. ,yeh that’s worth double the price.

Why are people so militant on this forum, cant take a little criticism on the pricing of a game? For crying out load its not like I am saying the game will be rubbish, I just think its not priced right.
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It's a forum - all there is to do is talk about your opinion and try to smack down anyone that disagrees ;)
 
Airalith said:
Why are people so militant on this forum, cant take a little criticism on the pricing of a game? For crying out load its not like I am saying the game will be rubbish, I just think its not priced right.
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Not being militant just think u sounded like a pretentious so and so
 
Herojuana said:
Not being militant just think u sounded like a pretentious so and so
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It's an opinion and I think a valid one.

Things that cost more have usually had more work and time invested in them, and to me L4D is a very simple game (not a bad thing). The production costs for this game should be small given it should have required very few people to actually work on it (due to there being little content), so I would have expected a lower price.

Having said all that I will still buy it, so cant exactly blame them for milking their cash cow, I bet Ford would love everyone to buy their KA for £30,000.
 
While I disagree with your notion of trying to judge a multiplayer game (the 'singleplayer campaign' is actually just multiplayer with bots by the way, ala Quake 3) from a singleplayer perspective, you're right about the pricing. I definitely think it should be cheaper. CSS, DODS and TF2 are all cheaper for example.
 
have a steam admin in my friends who is constantly playing l4d at the moment.

he said that there is about 2 hours of game play in demo


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also he said its probably the best valve game
 
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In the midst of all this, can I ask what the gameplay involves?

I don't quite understand it. Is it essentially a co-op game, to be played in the same way halo 2 co-op was? Rather than a drop in and out game like Zombie panic? Also if your say 2.5 hours into the game, how do you carry on at that point if the people you were originally playing with have gone?
 
KNiVES said:
I really really want to play the demo but at the same time I'm waiting for retail release for the cheaper price :(
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Same here, really don't want to spend almost 20% more... curse you $:£ rate!! :mad:

All I can pray for is that it jumps upto $1.75/£1 by Thursday :p
 
Goldfingers said:
In the midst of all this, can I ask what the gameplay involves?

I don't quite understand it. Is it essentially a co-op game, to be played in the same way halo 2 co-op was? Rather than a drop in and out game like Zombie panic? Also if your say 2.5 hours into the game, how do you carry on at that point if the people you were originally playing with have gone?
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I'd assume an AI would take over the character that had left.
 
Airalith said:
So 8 hours of game play. If Fallout 3 had 8 hours of game play people would be screwing! And when the Dev's say 8 hours, everyone know it will actually take around 5-6 unless your playing with total *****... which makes it about the length of Portal.. a budget game.
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your going to need a bigger spade me thinks cause that hole your digging for yourself is getting pretty big !!! ;p

left4dead is a situation fps, although the maps are set the action is never the same due to the ingame 'Director' AI. This isnt a MOD nor is its content equivalent to any 'budget' games, its a stand alone fps using a well known engine. It has replayability in bucket loads and not just the same 8hrs of shooting the same enemy in the same place on the same map.

It was like BF2 and 2142, totally different games and mechanics but both immensly playable in their own rights whilst using the same engine. Now ofc your entitled to have a differing opinion to others but your whole arguement is subjective ..
 
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