Great success

[Fuzz]

don't be so silly there our more than enough resources for everyone and a much high population than we have. Until we start physically running out of space we are fine.

We'll run out of food long before we run out of actual space..

The death penalty is wrong. They should be locked up in a 6ft by 9ft cell. No Wallpaper, 3 nutritional meals a day and it should cost a few thousand a year if that to house them. Until a time as they are safe to be released (if ever) the same should be for all serious crimes.

If you wantn to pay for them, that's fine by me.. I don't so the sooner and quicker they are dead the better.
There is no rehabilitation for these people

there isn't a judicial system in the world good enough to use the death penalty.

Now here's where I'd rather have my money put to good use, making the judicial system the best it can be to make sure those charged are actaully guilty..

revenge should never be the corner stone of a judicial system and is why the victim or victim family has no say on punishment.

Agree. deal the suitable punishment through the judicial system and a bullet to the head if they are guilty.
Job done, move onto the next.

 

[OliP]

Two wrongs don't make a right, the death penalty is hypocritical.

 

[semi-pro waster]

BTW i heard somewhere it takes about 4 minutes to die when you get shot by firing squad

Whoever told you that was presumably jesting. There is no way you could say that 4 minutes would be standard, it will depend on where you are shot aside from anything else, if all the bullets hit non-vital organs then you could live on almost indefinitely, if they hit your heart you'd die quickly, if they severed the spinal column or entered the brain you'd die almost instantly (I believe that the standard procedure is to go for centre mass but I'm not certain of that).

I think that perhaps one of the most sensible comments on this comes from a relative of one of the victims.

"(this is a) ...state-sponsored route to martyrdom"

For my money she'd be entirely right, these men wanted to be martyred and that is what they've effectively got.

 

[Glaucus]

We'll run out of food long before we run out of actual space..

Totaly off topic, but it's called vertical farming. we won't run out of anything. It's called technology.

If you wantn to pay for them, that's fine by me.. I don't so the sooner and quicker they are dead the better.
There is no rehabilitation for these people

It costs more for the death penalty.. As the trials are much longer and more complicated. This you can never get around.

 

[Delvis]

It costs more for the death penalty.. As the trials are much longer and more complicated. This you can never get around.

I'm not trying to pick at this bit, or make it sound negative...

Obviously there are costs, if they cost THAT much more, could they not change thing's so it does not? Obviously this would vary in what country though, which would cause more issues I guess.

 

[semi-pro waster]

I'm not trying to pick at this bit, or make it sound negative...

Obviously there are costs, if they cost THAT much more, could they not change thing's so it does not? Obviously this would vary in what country though, which would cause more issues I guess.

Here's the problem, if you want to change it so it costs less then you've effectively got to change the whole system and by extension undermine the basis on which the legal system is built. You afford the same rights to everyone in respect of how they are to be treated by the legal system or you afford them to no-one, if you only treat the people you agree with fairly then you demean the entire system.

I've said it before and I'll doubtless say it again, I don't give a damn for any legal system that doesn't have adequate safeguards for what is the ultimate punishment. If you include those safeguards then it costs money, lots of money because you're dealing with the highest of stakes so I'd have to say that the way to cheapen the process also cheapens life.

 

[Tefal]

Why?

So you'd rather they do half they're sentence, get let out early, go and do the same thing somewhere else.

Nice one.

Or you know just a life scentance, although i gues that would just be too sensible for you. Pass page 3 when you're done with the sun will you?

Good riddance, should happen more often.

Yess give them a quick maytrs death, so they can be stuck on posters to recruit more, let them get old and suffer the ravages of old age and a life spent in a cell.

Much harder to recuit more bombers with a poster of an old arthritis ridden man.

If you want a bomb to go off, stand in the middle of a field or desert and blow yourself up, not other people...Sick freaks.

Wouldn;t really achive the goal of killing others though would it?





Still I'm not sure if it's down to the success of our security forces or the incompitence of british terroists, but these guys are a hell of a lot more destructive than our lot :/

our terrorists only seem to be able to hurt themselves of late, ah well all for the best.

 

[Glaucus]

as semi-pro waster says. You can not change the cost. As this undermines the entire legal system. It would be unthinkable to remove those safety checks.
http://www.amnestyusa.org/death-penalty/death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost/page.do?id=1101084

America uses the chair and lethal injection. Both can be extremely painful and is barbaric. If you are going to kill them, then why kill them in a horrible way. they our already paying the ultimate penalty. Use certain gasses which make you go out on a high.

 

[Tefal]

Use certain gasses which make you go out on a high.

But thats another issue you can;t really send them out with a smile and laughing etc.

Personnally I'd like a few shots to the head, either by well trained and accurate marksmen who could hit it simultainiusly , or some kind of hat.

 

[Glaucus]

But thats another issue you can;t really send them out with a smile and laughing etc.
.

Of course you can. The punishment is for the crime, not the victims or public. they are paying the ultimate penalty. Why make it worse. It's simply barbaric to do it any other way.

 

[Tefal]

* A 2003 legislative audit in Kansas found that the estimated cost of a death penalty case was 70% more than the cost of a comparable non-death penalty case. Death penalty case costs were counted through to execution (median cost $1.26 million). Non-death penalty case costs were counted through to the end of incarceration (median cost $740,000).

That just sounds susspiciusly like they where released before the end of thier life.

Would be curius to know which.

 

[placeholder]

Two wrongs don't make a right, the death penalty is hypocritical.

No its isnt. The death penalty is the result of their wrongdoing, its not a random killing. However given the glory they seem to take in dying im not sure its appropriate in this case.

 

[semi-pro waster]

That just sounds susspiciusly like they where released before the end of thier life.

Would be curius to know which.

I read it slightly differently, I'm not certain but I rather think it is the cost of life imprisonment i.e. until they died in prison or a prison hospital rather than releasing them before the end of their life. However it isn't entirely clear so it can be taken either way round.

 

[Tefal]

It's simply barbaric to do it any other way.

Well no, it should be quick painless as possible, but it should not offer a "high/reward" section.

Of course you can. The punishment is for the crime, not the victims or public.
they are paying the ultimate penalty. Why make it worse.

Why make it better?

It should just be an end as feelingless as possible, regardless of the penilty you must think of the victims and their families, can you imagine the newspapers the next day, with head lines of him lauging and grinning before he went?

Thats just unnessicerilly cruel to the families.

A good solution may be to have a doctor properly anethestise them (ie a simmilar amount to major surgery) and then administer drugs to kill them which may cause pain if they had been awake, cyanide etc.

 

[Tefal]

Well yes, that is how it reads. However, you must remember that people are only released if they get past the parole board...

So?
Can you get parole from death?
If not they are not comparable...

I read it slightly differently, I'm not certain but I rather think it is the cost of life imprisonment i.e. until they died in prison or a prison hospital rather than releasing them before the end of their life. However it isn't entirely clear so it can be taken either way round.

Yes I'd be hoping it is untill they passed on in the prison hospital, but i get the feeling it isn't, and was just chosen as the longest scentence they could find.

although what medical treatments is a prisoner alowed in a prison hospital? Elective/non emergancy treatments for symptoms of old age etc?

 

[Glaucus]

Well no, it should be quick painless as possible, but it should not offer a "high/reward" section.

how it is a high or a reward?

It's a humane way to kill. You are simply thinking of revenge, which should not be in any part of a legal system.

 

[Tefal]

how it is a high or a reward?

:/ I couldn't think of a better word.

But it should neither be unessicerily painfull, nor unnessicerally pleasureable.

It's a humane way to kill.

There are many humane ways to kill.

You are simply thinking of revenge, which should not be in any part of a legal system.

No, no I'm not the fact you repetedly cut out the aprts where i ste it should indeed be painless kindda shows I'm not but you're still going to try and labour that little point.

You do realise that's how lethal injection is meant to work at the moment...? Butttt they mess it up loads and inflict massive amounts of pain... :\. It's meant to be an anaesthesic... then a muscle relaxant... then a drug (potassium chloride?) to stop their heart, I think.

iirc all are administered at simmilar times, however the anestetic wears off fairly quickly.

I mean they should be anethestised as you are in surgey, ie large dose to start, and then continus IV or respitory anestetics to keep you out.

Also, doctors will almost certainly refuse to aid executions...

I think tahts because of the way it is done and they are not alowed due to the oath, they may be able as long as they deal only with anestetics not leathal parts. Even if it is just an anesthetised advising on the continued dose (which they have now anyway, to judge the first dose). after all it doesn;t matter if you give them slightly too much over the next few minutes does it?

 

[Delvis]

*facepalm*

Come again?

Or you know just a life scentance, although i gues that would just be too sensible for you. Pass page 3 when you're done with the sun will you?




Yess give them a quick maytrs death, so they can be stuck on posters to recruit more, let them get old and suffer the ravages of old age and a life spent in a cell.

Much harder to recuit more bombers with a poster of an old arthritis ridden man.



Wouldn;t really achive the goal of killing others though would it?





Still I'm not sure if it's down to the success of our security forces or the incompitence of british terroists, but these guys are a hell of a lot more destructive than our lot :/

our terrorists only seem to be able to hurt themselves of late, ah well all for the best.

I've always been for life sentences But they rarely happen over here.

That's what that comment was for, anyway, we talked about that reply, so read that part of the thread.

As to this:

If you want a bomb to go off, stand in the middle of a field or desert and blow yourself up, not other people...Sick freaks.

Well obviously...? They're not going to do that are they.

Serious question though, where they just bombers, or suicide bombers? I'm presuming the former due to them not actually dying. Unless there bombs sucked.

 

[Tefal]

What I mean is that if someone is in prison for a "bad crime" - one which would get them the death penalty in another state - then I would have thought that they'd be unlikely to get parole, and would therefore be imprisoned for life.

parole is based on how you are rehabilitated as well as the crime, so it is perfectly possible (if you have served a considerable portion of the scentance ie a few decades, and show remorse it's actually quite likley) to get parole for scentences that in harsher states would earn you the death penalty.

 

[Tefal]

As to this:

Well obviously...? They're not going to do that are they.

you said it not me :/