Holland to ban magic mushrooms

Larkspeed said:
This is correct under the current law if you attempt to commit suicide and fail you can actually be charged with attempted murder of yourself.

Just because that particular part of the law is not enforced does not make it any less true :)
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You might want to review the Suicide Act 1961 - namely the little bit where it says "The rule of law whereby it is a crime for a person to commit suicide is hereby abrogated"
 
wsurfa said:
You might want to review the Suicide Act 1961 - namely the little bit where it says "The rule of law whereby it is a crime for a person to commit suicide is hereby abrogated"
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Location: Netherlands

The current system works well for the majority of controlled drugs in the country. Whilst Nicotine is addictive (due to its affect on the nicotine receptors in the brain) its not lethal in small doses and takes years to have negative effects on people using cigs etc. The most damage is done from the tar content and carbon monoxide contained in the cigs.
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Actually, it is lethal in small doses. It is the most lethal plant alkaloid. IIRC it is about 90 times more lethal than cocaine, and many many thousands of times more lethal than cannaboids. Besides, in small enough doses you can say anything is non lethal.
 
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Dark_Injection said:
I cannot physically add anything to this topic on the forums.

And i dont expect anyone to understand me, but i think everyone should have at least one experience of this on a heavy dosage to see them selves and look on their lifes.

I think everyone will have something to say,

Just wow, enough.
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I'm not sure if you are doing it yourself....

... but I really, really loathe the idea or attempted 'argument' that 'you can't judge it unless you tried it'. Its the most irritating, smug and poor argument this side of .... since when CBS used to say "does that even mean anything?".

Of course people who havn't tried a drug will not see the possitive sides of it. People take drugs because they enjoy doing them - of course they are fun. Regardless, they can and do cause harm to, relatively, a minority. As such worry and fear is perfectly acceptable when you consider the unpredictable nature of the contents of a pill.

So, to anyone reading, if you do enjoy drugs, don't irritate the crap out of everyone with your rubbish argument and just say you do it 'beacause its fun'. It will save people like me a lot of stress.
 
lord filbuster said:
Location: Netherlands
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Initiated and challenged by UK based posters, so in the context of those asking - the relevant UK act would apply.

Given that the netherlands was one of the first countries in the EU to legalise physician assisted suicide, it would be interesting to see the current statue that criminalises suicide
 
James J said:
Im not saying the government is always correct but there are a staggering amount of health professionals from bothNICE and the RPSGB respectively who decide on how all drugs can and cannot be administed, stocked, released etc and the effects they have on patients/general public and this is then passed onto the government to amend laws if needed.

The current system works well for the majority of controlled drugs in the country. Whilst Nicotine is addictive (due to its affect on the nicotine receptors in the brain) its not lethal in small doses and takes years to have negative effects on people using cigs etc. The most damage is done from the tar content and carbon monoxide contained in the cigs.

Alcohol also cannot be even remotely compaired to controlled drugs due to being quite easy for the body to break down unless in daft amounts over a long period of time or so much you pass out and end up dying of another cause (swallowing your own tongue, choking on your own vomit etc)

"However extacy, cannabis, LSD and magic mushrooms very rarely cause deaths and aren't addictive like cigs or as dangerous as alcohol" - Problem with what your saying here it reads like your version of dangerous is someone dying. All of the drugs you mentioned are contra indicationed to possible mental problems which can lead to a variety of nasty conditions. Its not just the health of the person taking the drug which is accountable, its the people around them as well.

The biggest reason for most of the CDs being on the list is due to how potent they actually are. Take codeine phosphate for example, as a tablet its POM and readily available from a GP but the injectable version is a CD due to how easy it is to overdose on it, plus the addition of more side affects which can be a risk to health.

Sorry for the information overload but the whole system really isnt a clear cut as people seem to think it is.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5230006.stm

Look at the chart at the bottom and tell me how the classification system makes sense.
 
Haha, some people are funny in this thread :p

You get hardly any people in Amsterdam walking the streets high on mushrooms anyway, so it wouldn't affect me being there. And people who smoke and go on the streets hradly do anything wrong, because they're too monged to move they're own legs let alone cause harm to people.

Won't stop me from going there, been there 4 times this year, and only smoke once anyway, hate the crap.

Prefer walking around rather than being in a cubby whole of a coffee shop for 2 hours while it's sunny outside :p
 
Greenlizard0 said:
Good, I went to Amsterdam a year back with friends. Some of the group decided to everywhere and see some of the city whereas other's just went to the cafe's all the time. Waste of money really if you ask me.
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i agree, i wanted to just exterminate the entire city...

homeless person was the first who talked to us, and the first person i told to *** off.

hopefully terrorists will put nerve gas over the whole city
 
platinum87 said:
i agree, i wanted to just exterminate the entire city...

homeless person was the first who talked to us, and the first person i told to *** off.

hopefully terrorists will put nerve gas over the whole city
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Nah, Amsterdams a nice place in general, if you stay away from the sleezy / more inhabited drug parts :)

First time I went there I was with people who smoked a lot of green / skunk, so it wasen't much fun....because they where just tired constantly.
 
Delvis said:
Nah, Amsterdams a nice place in general, if you stay away from the sleezy / more inhabited drug parts :)

First time I went there I was with people who smoked a lot of green / skunk, so it wasen't much fun....because they where just tired constantly.
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well no1 i was with smoked any weed, just alcohol for all..

either way there was 1 good bar ( we spent 8 hours walking around the entire city, well atleast the non-residential area)

Most cities are fine, and there is one or more small areas which are just filth, but with amsterdam the whole inner city is filth and theres not much else

either way i tried to make the most of it, and it was fun, but it took me 3 days to get used to the insanity of it.. if i do go back, im just gonna remove all barriers and self control, i dont care if i get arrested, sometimes violence is better than sex
 
platinum87 said:
well no1 i was with smoked any weed, just alcohol for all..

either way there was 1 good bar ( we spent 8 hours walking around the entire city, well atleast the non-residential area)

Most cities are fine, and there is one or more small areas which are just filth, but with amsterdam the whole inner city is filth and theres not much else

either way i tried to make the most of it, and it was fun, but it took me 3 days to get used to the insanity of it.. if i do go back, im just gonna remove all barriers and self control, i dont care if i get arrested, sometimes violence is better than sex
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Hehe, fair enough :)

I normally go there with a party to go to on the Friday / Saturday anyway, so that breaks the weekend up.

Theres a few museums there and things, a fair amount to see, if you haven't been on the pedalows they are amusing as well :p

We went to the beach one time we was there as well, made a day trip out of it.

sometimes violence is better than sex
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I've not once used a hooker there actually :p
 
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