I am now considered possibly quilty. My details held on file for the day I may commit a crime. No, that is not a society I wish to live in, especially just to give you a little better feeling of security.
What is all the hoohaa abuot a DNA database - bring it on!
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I am now considered possibly quilty. My details held on file for the day I may commit a crime. No, that is not a society I wish to live in, especially just to give you a little better feeling of security.
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So you expect say 1000 government techs to do a complete DNA "scan" for want of a better word?
taking several months (if not longer), and costing a fortune.
Recreate your biometric data (that will be on the ID cards that Jacqui 'I've got my head in the clouds' Smith thinks we all want) and ultimately steal your identity, opening mortgages, DD's etc. in your name, and no one would batter an eyelid because "it was your biometric data that was used as ID, so pay up."
the government don't store all your information in one great big database they like to spread it out and share it about to maximise the chances of un-authorised access.
I've not been paying taxes 40 years but ignoring that I have always been opposed to a national DNA database it is just plain and simply wrong and yet another step down a road I would hat to see this country take. Roll it up with ID cards internet monitoring and all the other rubish this goverment has come out with and throw it in the north sea.
You people are insane.
Ahh! Now here's a good reason for NOT doing it... The expense/difficulty! I'm all up for not doing it for those reasons!
But as for many of the other reason we've seen, if indeed they even have any validity (most do not), they are far FAR out-weighed by the massive benefits of said database.
BUT, let's rememember the link I gave in the OP is about REMOVING entries in the database. Which given your point is MORE expensive than leaving them
What the chances of this happening?
Its not something you can do out in the garden shed
It's a painful disability.
Don't worry I'm hard at work on a cure!
So far the best solution seems to be a .45 to the base of the skull, further testing will be required
Indeed they are.
The police don't have your address, if you are on the electoral role they maybe able to look it up. Your giving them credit way beyond what they deserve they bairly even have a national database of convictions. only recently setup a national database of mushots. the IT systems in use by our police force are like those of the NHS a joke.
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err ok so they have your Bio ID card, when mister bank manger tells them to lean forward for the iris scan, what exactly are they going to do? Hold up your freshly gouged eyes and hope he doesn't notice?
The other half of bio id cards is of course Bio id scans, like you use a pin code for your card now in futre you may just get your eyes scanned.
What the chances of this happening?
Its not something you can do out in the garden shed
Biometric data has already been falsified using plasticine and a banjo string*
not exact tools required, but it was just as simple and took < 3mins.
Why is every hypothetical argument against you a straw man, yet your hypothetical crime perfectly valid? Answer my point. Just like this database, CCTV doesn't assume guilt, it just makes it easier for people to see who was where, when a crime happens. I offered you those scenarios because they're actually pretty similar to this one.What's that blocking out the sun? The hugest straw man has just been contructed I've ever scene!
It's called civil bloody liberties. As far as I'm concerned, I want to live in a society with a largely uninterfering state. Bar proving that I'm a real person for polling purposes, I don't particularly want the government, or whoever, to have personal information about me, unless I choose to let them. That's the crux here. Some people don't want their DNA on file, yet you want to force them? Why? In case they might commit a crime in future? And yet you claim this isn't guilt-implying? I'm sorry, but I find the idea of the government forcefully taking my DNA without asking a bit, well, wrong. Don't you?
The police don't have my address at the moment?
And this can be pulled off without notice infront of other people quickly and easily?
And what bio data? was it finger prints iris scans etc etc?
Also you said they could recreate your bio data, basically you think that we can tell a persons finger prints from their DNA? (excluding the fact that the parts that govern your finger prints probbably arn't even known)
No but they may well be able to use your DNA to recreate your iris in a way that the cash machine finds acceptable, or the internet gateway for your bank. Everytime we have upped security the criminals have found away aound it so it is foolish to assume that in future they won't be able too.
Also you said they could recreate your bio data, basically you think that we can tell a persons finger prints from their DNA? (excluding the fact that the parts that govern your finger prints probbably arn't even known)
Are not known YET! don't assume they won't be in 20 years time, your giving this information away based on todays understanding of DNA which is like asking a 5 year old to do second order integration.
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Or Own a Car, a house or something else.
Its not hard to find someone when you have access to Registration details, Or Licences or Council rates
And this can be pulled off without notice infront of other people quickly and easily?
Also you said they could recreate your bio data, basically you think that we can tell a persons finger prints from their DNA? (excluding the fact that the parts that govern your finger prints probbably arn't even known)
For a start, this DNA DB will have your Bio-data on it as well. So they won't even need to recreate it.
Second, you're assuming all bank managers or whatever are legit. How do you think a lot of identity theft *already* occurs? Someone brings in 3 forms of ID, the person requiring these ID's knows they are fake/cloned/stolen but doesn't care - he or she is only required to ask for them, not verify their origins.
Start looking outside your tunnel vision Tefal, there's a whole lot more to see.