Weekend Fuseball 6-8th December *SPOiLERS*
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Its funny how the important things certain players do seem to pass some fans by.
Ade certainly hasn't had the right attitude in a number of games this season (who has?), but he won both the headers for the goals against Chelsea and scored the winner this week. You can't ask for a lot more than that. Aside from the 2 goals last week RvP has performed worse than him imo (but seems to get away with it).
Ade certainly hasn't had the right attitude in a number of games this season (who has?), but he won both the headers for the goals against Chelsea and scored the winner this week. You can't ask for a lot more than that. Aside from the 2 goals last week RvP has performed worse than him imo (but seems to get away with it).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7423254.stm
Our wage bill is not higher than Utd's? At least with offical figures, not some creative made up stuff on the net. I'd suspect Liverpools has risen from that with the signing of Keane/Torres.
You also need to consider the players we have on the sidelines, Eduardo, Rosickynote, Walcott, Diaby. 4 internationals, thats easily another 150k+ per week there.
Other than that I really can't be arsed to argue with you. I repect your right to have an opinion, but anyone who rate RvP above Bergkamp and Eboue above Helb is a Pleb.
Where do you go whenever we play well and win then?
ROFL, good to have you back
I don't know why drunkmaster bothers, he constantly gets mocked here and is always shown up when someone comes along with proper facts.
Or until I'm banned again
This, hopefully.
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Where do you go whenever we play well and win then?
We've played well, this year? Oh I forgot, our two good performances, Wigan and Sheffield in the cup when i said we were brilliant, and praised (almost) everyone who played. Or are we again saying Fenebache, who have now lost again at home I believe, so it wasn't quite the big thing everyone made out, or the return game where we were utter crap again, the fact we could have conceded 5/6 in the game where Almunia played out of his skin only to have half the Arsenal fans, and half this forum on his back a few games later for a poor game which isn't unexpected when your team barely stops a single attack on goal in the entire game. Not me, I never got on Almunia's back for making mistakes under massive pressure, it happens.
I'll again point out our wins were all against bottom 8 sides pretty much, we lost most of our big games except Man U and Chelsea, thats 2/6(maybe 2/5, can't remember) won against the top half, not exactly great and awful performances except the two wins, which I said were good but weren't great. Ronaldo finishing would have won that game for Man U, Chelsea have a lot of players out but we actually did play pretty well. Our "best" performances against other sides, Blackburn, who I said you can't base on past experience of how good they were, I said they looked relegation quality, I said they had maybe the worst defence in the league and the scoreline was flattering due to it. Hmm, look where Blackburn are now and how easily the let in goals against any team. Have we had another great performance this year, I'm not sure. Wigan, we won, it was far from a good performance. were the 5 loses any good, were we at all unlucky for any of them, no.
Infact the only thing I've really complained about is Wenger. I like Song's attitude, its not his fault he's not any good, I wish he was better but he's not, he's not chosing himself to play, Wenger is. Denilson I say every single time I think he can be world class in his position, I very much like him as an attacking mid, its Wenger who plays him out of position all the time. ADebayor, well, i actually just don't like him, his attitude, his inability to do anything unless given a perfect throughball, lack of effort and every time he scores getting a bigger ego than anyone else ever at the club has ever had, then going on to do nothing for another 8 games. He's the one player I criticise consistantly as he's the one player I think is crap but also has a terrible attitude.
Where as the majority of this forum has criticise Fabregas's performances, I haven't, Eboue constantly, I haven't, bendtner, I haven't, Almunia, I haven't, RVP, I haven't, etc, etc, etc.
The only real problem I have is Wenger, he's lost it, the sooner people get over what he did in the past, no matter how great, and see he's lost the plot completely the better for the club. Jesus, Fabregas recently went on record saying theres no chance he's leaving, and just before the transfer window Wenger makes a public announcement that if big players start to leave he'll be the first to go, please explain that one to me. He's either saying he thinks Fabregas isn't commited, or criticising him, neither you want to do when many clubs would have him, he's saying he just gave the captaincy to a player he thinks will be the first to go, and surely it only encourages clubs to make offers and unsettle him? Its insane that he'd say something so utterly ridiculous at any time at all, let alone right before a transfer window. Its almost like he's asking for damn offers for him.
ROFL, good to have you back
I don't know why drunkmaster bothers, he constantly gets mocked here and is always shown up when someone comes along with proper facts.
Get shown up but what facts. Every other thread on this forum that mentions wages mentions Arsenal having a ridiculously high wage bill, I keep hearing second highest in the prem, 3rd, oh no, my point has completely changed. Except it hasn't at all. Lets point out we're around 15mil ahead of Liverpool, and only 2-3 mil behind Man U. Again people mention Diaby, Eduardo and other people that are out, but that doesn't change the fact that if you line up the 20 highest paid Liverpool players vs the Arsenal players I would imagine Liverpools would be higher paid. Gerrard you assume is on 100k a week or more, Torres, Keane, Risse riding the bench was on 90K, which suggest most of their first team isn't far off that. I still ask, where's are money going. Of course Arsenal have first team players on the bench, but not many, the ones that are out injured don't make up massive numbers. With them out look at our bench, Wilshire, Ramsey, hoyte, Fabianksi most games. Man U will have Nani, Hargreaves(when fit), Neville, tevez, keeper, Scholes/Carrick, Giggs, etc, etc.
Can you not see that our bench, compared to that is hugely less established, old, world class proven and probably all on or around 100k a week by this point. So again I ask, where are our high wages coming from.
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I can assure you that the United bench you just listed are not on 100k a week, Tevez is probably the only one that is close to that.
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Neville, established international, old, wage rise most years, new contracts, won multiple titles, how much do you think he's on exactly, captain aswell? Scholes same deal, old, multiple contracts with pay rises, international, multiple titles. Giggs, same situation, Carrick, titles, had a big money and probably big pay rise when going to Spurs, you would assume another fairly sizable chunk aswell as bonus's for winning things in the last 2 years aswell which again would be a sizable chunk. keeper of course not, but he's on more than fabianski, or you would hope, he's older, played far more, plays far more now for the first team than Fabianski does. I didn't once say they make 100k a week either, I was comparing our bench, to yours, can we not agree your bench should be making umpteen times more than our bench ?
I would say that, Rio, Rooney, Tevez maybe, Berbatov, Giggs, Scholes and Neville must be around the 100k a week mark and Ronaldo is on what 120k a week. Just ronaldo's wages over ade's makes up the 3mil difference in wage bill, well 2mil, close enough.
Maybe Gallas gets more than Ade but I'm fairly certain no one else does, who honestly believes looking at Man U's older, established multi title winning squad doesn't earn significantly more than ARsenals young, most non title winning players first team squad. So again I say, where the hell is the money going?
I would say that, Rio, Rooney, Tevez maybe, Berbatov, Giggs, Scholes and Neville must be around the 100k a week mark and Ronaldo is on what 120k a week. Just ronaldo's wages over ade's makes up the 3mil difference in wage bill, well 2mil, close enough.
Maybe Gallas gets more than Ade but I'm fairly certain no one else does, who honestly believes looking at Man U's older, established multi title winning squad doesn't earn significantly more than ARsenals young, most non title winning players first team squad. So again I say, where the hell is the money going?
Its funny how differently we all define playing well.
I thought we played well against Wigan at the weekend. If we had put away some of the good chances we had, especially in the second half, we would have run out winners by 3 or 4.
Did we play superduperamazingtothebestofourabilities? No, but apart from the nonsense in the last few minutes, we played well enough to beat Wigan, which is all you can expect. Wigan had a couple of good chances themselves but really, Bruce was watching a different game to suggest that Wigan deserved something from it.
I thought we played well against Wigan at the weekend. If we had put away some of the good chances we had, especially in the second half, we would have run out winners by 3 or 4.
Did we play superduperamazingtothebestofourabilities? No, but apart from the nonsense in the last few minutes, we played well enough to beat Wigan, which is all you can expect. Wigan had a couple of good chances themselves but really, Bruce was watching a different game to suggest that Wigan deserved something from it.
Yeah, we're terrible aren't we. That's why we're in the top half of the table. Dire. Wenger out!
It's the terrible structure isn't it? Like he just doesn't care about repeating the same points or adding in tons of pointless filler every time.
First half wasn't the most exciting, and I guess a bit even, but yeah, the second half, prior to the last ten minutes, we were completely in control.
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We're the only very slightly just 3rd highest wage bill in the premiership, we DO spend money in the transfer window and yet we aren't close to winning anything. We're 4th and losing ground, we had the easiest run of games and still have had more bottom half games than anyone else in the league, its an artificial and lucky 4th to say the least. we're losing most of our top half games, and we've had few so far, if we continue to lose top half games at the same rate by the time we've evened out who we've played against we'll be futher down the table.
We were crap against wigan, we could have had more, they could have had more. But at the end of the day, Wigan aren't a great team and are supposedly weaker Arsenal side played them off the park not very long ago, in my opinion if that game was great, then this, on the same scale can't even be good but crap.
No one ever bothers responding to my points but gets on about how I'm not an Arsenal supporter, still looking for a reasonable answer to my question about where people think the money is going. I can't honestly believe people think the Arsenal first team makes as much as Man U's, chelski's, and yet we have an incredibly high bill. Maybe if someone actually debated or discussed the point, we'd be done by now, but as per most Arsenal fans you're too happy to make fun of someone rather than debate if theres a problem at Arsenal.
one simple question for you, do you believe anyone is making more than Ade at Arsenal and if so how many players and how much are they on. THen do you think anyone at Man U makes more than Ade, and if so how much. 40k a week is 2million a year, and Man U only paid 3 million more in total than us. Ignore everything you think about me, respond to the question and tell me if it adds up or not.
EDIT:_ for instance Spurs may outspend us, but according to that list they spend £45million less than us in wages a year, thats an insane amount of money more to be spending. Villa have a lot of huge quality in their squad, they spent £45mil less in wages, its not surprising, they have lots of internationals but less established players, but the gulf is huge and I'm merely saying, surely for that big a gap and considering I believe we spending significantly less on most of our starting 11 than Man U do, that the money is spent on too many youth players paid too much and kept for too long and sold for far to little. If thats the case I'm not sure that Wengers youth policy is any more than get every promising kid in with the promise of money and pray some are good, but whose really come through our youth academy in the past 5 years and made a success? Even Clichy was bought in 2003 and got a league medal in the 2003/2004 season so he's another finished product we bought. Infact, we don't have a single youth player who plays regularly for Arsenal, how good is our youth policy and Wengers bringing youth players into great players. He bought great players who were cheap and young, thats it. Song was probably longest playing reserves at Arsenal before playing the first team regularly, and he's been at arsenal for 3 years, one on loan from Bastia and one on loan to Charlton. Wilshire is the single Arsenal player who looks premiership quality whose been in Arsenals youth setup for ages, not a single other one. The only other one we should have kept is Bentley though he's a tit, and Larson who I think is pretty good.
Incase you hadn't seen it, Rosicky not back till March now
I feel so sorry for the guy, its becoming a joke and the longer it goes on the more you wonder if we'll ever see him back and how good he'll be if he ever gets back.
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What is the point in speculating about who gets what? I have no idea who is on what, aside from the odd person when its announced by the club Im not even sure if the wages are available to the public?