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Deneb Pricing

The Halk

The Halk

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According to an article I've read here -

http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/sh...TWBJ4KQSNDLPCKHSCJUNN2JVN?articleID=212300037

Deneb pricing seems to be rather competitive.

The article does mention prices from Intel and AMD, however they're in dollars and they're the bulk prices for OEMs, not the prices we pay. However assuming there's some kind of relation between them....

EET 965 (3.2Ghz) $999 OcUK £822 1.21
EET 920 (2.66Ghz) $284 OcUK £240 1.18

So the OcUK price seems to be roughly 20% less in £ than the $ price. If that holds for the Denebs...

EET Deneb 3.0Ghz $275 £220
EET DEneb 2.8Ghz $235 £188

That's a huge price difference between Denebs and i7s.

But of course this is all just guesswork.
 
as nice as it is having an easy decision about upgrading as far as CPU goes, i'd love to see some competition back in the market..... that's what's given us the great array of GFX cards we have atm, all at decent prices.

Also, given the price of Intel socket mobos compared to AMD ones, that skews the price performance even more.... maybe we can start seeing X58 mobo prices drop to reasonable levels if AMD can pull its thumb out with Deneb and its collective board partners come up with some mobos to match with.
 
simonnance said:
as nice as it is having an easy decision about upgrading as far as CPU goes, i'd love to see some competition back in the market..... that's what's given us the great array of GFX cards we have atm, all at decent prices.

Also, given the price of Intel socket mobos compared to AMD ones, that skews the price performance even more.... maybe we can start seeing X58 mobo prices drop to reasonable levels if AMD can pull its thumb out with Deneb and its collective board partners come up with some mobos to match with.
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I dont think we even need to have cheap AM3 boards to push x58 prices if Deneb performs, as I doubt the speed improvement over DDR2 AM2+ will be that great.
 
Up to 5% increase in speed from DDR2 to DDR3 for Deneb, according to Fudzilla.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10821&Itemid=1

It means cheap motherboards for the AMD quads, and cheap memory. 140 quid saved on a motherboard (at most). 4GB for the price of 3GB.

Still doesn't take the performance crown from Intel. But it looks to be price/performance wise AM2+ is the socket to go for...

But again this is all guesswork until we see benchmarks and product in shops.
 
cheap upgrade for those looking for a good performance boost from the old E6xxx series without having to fork out for DDR3. Though i guess Yorkfield kinda fills that bracket too, without a mobo change too for some of us.

Looking forward to some benchies, but i feel the siren lure of i7
 
x58 board prices won't drop, they aren't £140 boards that are priced up because of exclusivity of the performance bracket. THey are expensive because they have extra layers and a HELL of a lot of extra traces and routing problems due to the tripple channel and extra slots. I'm sure theres some margin for the price to come down, but AMD aren't competing against it but Lynnfield, which with dual channel will take a pretty large bump in multithreading full 4 core loaded benchmarks. Leaving expensive trip channel x58 i7 combo's with a lead and no reason to drop prices.

Production increases and more manufactures will push costs down a little but unless its a truly awful ECS budget board with 3 mem slots they'll always be £180 + .

Lynnfield/am3 will probably be very similar performance wise but I think AMD will be looking to, once fully to 45nm start pushing prices down to win back a couple % in market share leading up to new fabs being built.

I'm going to get a Deneb for the simple fact that I'm bored with Intel. Phenom's are harder to overclock and I've only played with phenom on one board so far which sucked so really I'm just interested in playing with one. Performance wise you won't be able to tell the diff.
 
Including VAT I can see competitors listing the Phenom II 940 BE (Deneb at 3.0Ghz) at between £220 and £240.

Hopefully OcUK will have a preorder up soon. I'm getting severely tempted to go for a SB750 board and 4GB of ram for a few hundred quid upgrade to a 940.
 
I'm looking forward to seeing real world test results for these.
I've been tempted to upgrade my ageing 170 system with a decent Quad core.. but the prices of the 9500 and the new i7 range have really put me off.

I wouldn't mind paying this amount for new tech tho :)
 
These seem a bit expensive to me :(
£230 cpu + £100 motherboard

Would I be better of spending the £330 on a quick 45nm quad then this?

Might be better to just stick with my Q6600 and push it higher till it fails lol.
 
EvilOne said:
These seem a bit expensive to me :(
£230 cpu + £100 motherboard

Would I be better of spending the £330 on a quick 45nm quad then this?

Might be better to just stick with my Q6600 and push it higher till it fails lol.
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Well, of course they're expensive if you have to buy a motherboard for AMD and compare that to Intel. :)

Can't see any point upgrading from a Q6600 though, at the moment.
 
"Dragon" and "Phenom" sound good, then again "Nephalem" sounds good too. I don't like the "Smithfield" and "Prescott" etc names that Intel come up with. My all time favourite is "ClawHammer". Who doesn't want a processor that's called ClawHammer?

Despite all logic there's a certain attraction to the names of the platform and CPU. I'm on a few different kinds of painkillers just now. The Codeine doesn't sound like much, but the Voltarol, that comes right out and says "I'm going to kill all the pain, I am the Mighty Voltarol". Even though it turns out the Codeine is actually an Opiate and much stronger, and the Voltarol is just beefed up ibuprofen.
 
The Halk said:
Despite all logic there's a certain attraction to the names of the platform and CPU. I'm on a few different kinds of painkillers just now. The Codeine doesn't sound like much, but the Voltarol, that comes right out and says "I'm going to kill all the pain, I am the Mighty Voltarol". Even though it turns out the Codeine is actually an Opiate and much stronger, and the Voltarol is just beefed up ibuprofen.
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My suggestion would be to name the next platform Tramadol. Nothing beats that! Twice the mg of codeine, kicks in within 5 minutes and you don't feel a thing. Took it for extreme toothache where 2xcodeine+2xibuprofen+1xparacetamol every 3 hours would _not work_. Tramadol ***!

I think this is off-topic though!!

Anyway, I sincerely hope the Dragon platform is much-much better than the Spider..that should boost the AMD performance significantly.

Btw, the first Deneb chips have arrived at retailers (the 920 one, the 940 is coming in a couple of days). NDA is for the 20th december from what I have heard (maybe it's already mentioned in this thread, can't remember).
 
Yeah, retailers have started adding them to their online stores, and google has a few indexed. I emailed one asking when I'd get it if I ordered now, in the hope they could say if it was a mid December launch (as rumoured) or the 8th Jan (as previously said).

Edit : I'm on prescription Codeine which is 30mg rather than the 8mg you can get over the counter. I'm in my happy place thanks to all the painkillers.
 
The Halk said:
Edit : I'm on prescription Codeine which is 30mg rather than the 8mg you can get over the counter. I'm in my happy place thanks to all the painkillers.
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Yeah, been there done that, Tramadol is prescription only and it has 60mg. It's essentially a double-up Codeine.

Bliss.
 
+1 for Voltarol, had it when I had my tonsils removed and was the biz. It does kill the pain............ and is the mighty Voltarol!! :D

Can't take lots of codeine it gives me severe palpitations! :eek:
 
Voltarol is that diclofenac based product right?

It worked for about a week for me when I broke my coccyx. (Extremely painful) Only downside was after a week of use I kept having a weird heart arrhythmia. :(

Sorry *cough* back on topic. Excellent prices for those denebs and if I hadn't have bought my 9950 I'd be looking for the upgrade in the new year.

I'll be watching with interest on the benchmarks and OC results.
 
OC results seem fairly interesting. Extreme benchmarking looks like it might be a win for AMD already. the I7 has so far only hit 5.1Ghz on LN2, with about 3/4 chips having hit the 6Ghz mark already on the AMD side which is incredibly impressive literally, before proper availability. Several people have gotten their hands on them with air and 4Ghz seems like it could well be an average overclock, though time will tell obviously. Some on water seem to have gone a little higher. If we're talking 3.8-4.2Ghz air , 4.2-4.8Ghz water and 4.8-6Ghz on extreme cooling they'll get a lot of sales.

Though I'd all but given up on water for its irritation, I might just clean out my rad's in the next few days so its ready for installing when I grab a deneb.


Aren't AMD using immersion lithography and finally high-k gate on their 45nm process, Intel are adding immersion lithography to the 32nm as they left it out this time, maybe this round AMD is going to have a very decent manufacturing advantage, would make it interesting this time around.
 
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