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Phenom II 920 on air 1.4v 3.64Ghz

Meeeellar said:
conroe's are duals not quad... and the denebs are matching the Yorkfield's clock for clock

all 2x/4xAA w/ single gtx280

STALKER CLEAR SKY, 1680x1050
Phenom II x4 940 3Ghz = 41.7
C2Q Q9550 2.83Ghz = 41.2

CRYSIS WARHEAD, 1680x1050
Phenom II x4 940 3Ghz = 35.7
C2Q Q9550 2.83Ghz = 35.0

DEAD SPACE, 1680x1050
Phenom II x4 940 3Ghz = 219.0
C2Q Q9550 2.83Ghz = 214.4

FAR CRY 2, 1680x1050
Phenom II x4 940 3Ghz = 54.4
C2Q Q9550 2.83Ghz = 46.2

WORLD AT WAR, 1680x1050
Phenom II x4 940 3Ghz = 48.7
C2Q Q9550 2.83Ghz = 57.3

WORLD IN CONFLICT, 1680x1050
Phenom II x4 940 3Ghz = 92.7
C2Q Q9550 2.83Ghz = 95.0

and yes the 940 is a higher clock but only just.
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Not worth uprading for people who already have intel chips which are the majority by the looks of it.

I would love to buy one, but personally i think its better to spend that small bit extra for i7.
 
Perfect_Chaos said:
I would love to buy one, but personally i think its better to spend that small bit extra for i7.
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Can I ask why? I mean I've always had Intels, from my very first cpu's to my SL6WK Northwood that did me a good 3 [email protected]. But I would never discount another company without good reason and I honestly don't see a reason to pay more for a Yorkfield IF these Denebs are as good as they claim. Remembering that I7's are not really designed for gaming and about the same speed as a Yorkfield, most big benefits are heavily server based and will cost you WAY more right now.

Slightly quicker, with the same OC potential, cheaper, AMD's chipsets are really good too. Maybe I'm missing something.
 
The DDR3 platform is much more expensive than DDR2 platform. That's nothing against Intel, they got there first. AMD are heading there early next year. I'm not saying it sucks, just that it's more expensive.

The only reason to go DDR3 is if you can't buy the performance you want with socket 775 or socket AM2+.

The Phenom II will need a long reach indeed if it's going to beat the top i7s for performance - I don't really think anyone expects them to, perhaps maybe with liquid nitrogen the Denebs will beat the Nahalems. But in the real world don't think anyone has to go i7 unless they can't get the performance they want from C2Q/P I/II

That leaves it as C2Q against Phenom I/II. And from the benchmarks that have been seen Phenom I/II beats C2Q for price/performance, and seems to have more clock under the hood.

But bear in mind you can't buy a Phenom II now, and Intel pricing may adjust in January to compete. So it's a little bit of a naff comparison to compare pre-order Deneb prices against current C2Q prices.

The way things are panning out though, it seems that

- i7 965 Is for people who want performance, damn the cost. There's no point measuring price/performance for this.
- i7 940 competes against C2Q and Phenom II. However with 6GB of ram and a middle of the road motherboard, it's £868 already.
The C2Q with a top end motherboard, 4GB of ram and the Q9650 comes out at £671. It's got a touch less ram, a touch more clock, a touch less architectural speed. And nearly 200 quid cheaper. That's enough to make a serious difference to graphics card purchase.
The Phenom II comes in at £420. It's the same clock speed as the Intel. It's the similar performance clock for clock, and it's using the same memory. The difference in price is due to a cheaper motherboard and a cheaper CPU.
Again my disclaimer is I'm using Phenom II prices from the future, against Intel prices as they are right now.

As for the last i7 it's much the same story. The C2Qs and Phenom I clock the same, but come in significantly cheaper.
 
It's good that they can use AM2+, but the thermal compound that came with the stock heatsink seems to have glued it on :( I've tried everything.

4ghz is pretty impressive on air, I can only get my dual core up by 250mhz.
Will this bring down the Phenom I's in price?
 
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spleenharvester said:
It's good that they can use AM2+, but the thermal compound that came with the stock heatsink seems to have glued it on :( I've tried everything.

4ghz is pretty impressive on air, I can only get my dual core up by 250mhz.
Will this bring down the Phenom I's in price?
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Have you tried a hairdrier?
 
Truth is i dont want to wait to upgrade, even though im not needing it yet.

Surely HT on the i7's make a difference to games like Alan Wake when they come out, then you have Doom 4 which will probably be similar or wont it make much difference anyway?

I dunno tbh, people say go intel for best performance and then others say go amd. its like a roundabout ride
 
you don't need to run 1:1 on the memory, and you're unlikely to. Not sure anyone in the world runs a phenom above 300HTT speed, most not above 250, though little hints here and there that the HTT goes hugely higher on phenom 2's than phenom 1's so getting a multi unlocked one might be less of an issue.

But this is also why a 920 at 3.7/3.8Ghz is pretty damn fantastic and people haven't really gotten phenom's high on HT speeds before so the 920 could easily be HT limited rather than clock speed, so if 920's only do 3.6Ghz average that doesn't mean thats what the chip is capable of but more lack of multiplier options hurting it.
 
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