Scores die in Israeli air strikes
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Yes, that is true. But at the same time Israel must have known that this might happen. My point is that peace is never given a chance.
Imagine if Israel held back and did nothing for six months, and literally just let Hamas get on with it. What would be the end result? Would Hamas eventually give up & stop? One break of yet another failed ceasefire isn't justification for missile attacks, whichever way you look it.
Israel are just as trigger happy as any Palestinian terrorist group.
Look at it this way.
If Hammas and Fatah arnt Attacking Isreal then they are attacking each other.
They a botbh very Violent Extreemest factions which probably make a lot of money from warring with Isreal
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Yeah, I realise that too. I think at one point Hamas & Hezbollah fought eachother.
But that is partly expected. Civil war/in-fighting occurs in Iraq & Afghanistan too.
More war and death ontop of that isn't the solution. The conflict in Iraq is improving apparently, due to a more considered approach by the Americans.
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Hamas' ideals existed before 1987. Hamas formed in 1987 but as a result of an Egyptian extremist group known as the Muslim Brotherhood.
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Israel is not without blame but then neither is Hamas. They are as bad as each other if I dare go so far.
It was given a chance then one side broke it. give them a few months fighting and hammas will offer another ceasefire once they've killed of this batch of volunteers then go on a recruiting drive during the next ceasefire.
No the end result would be 6 months of unhindered motor and rocket attacks till the Israeli people forced the government out and put in one that;s willing to take aggressive action.
Well not really. if someone shot at you, would you shoot back?
And would you then be trigger happy for returning fire?
You poke a bear in the eye you gotta expect to be mauled
You don't need to support them to understand the reasons for their actions. You may not agree with the actions and find the reasons to be unjustified but they are there none the less.
If Israel are evil do you believe the rest of the middle east to be mostly good? Your statement appears pretty biased.
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I agree with this.
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Do the Israel people want aggressive action? As said, this is a political war, with no benefits for the civilians on either side.
Shooting back and using jets to maul a load of civilians is kind of different.
I would hope Israel showed more civility than a grizzly bear in all honesty.
Well would you want the uk government to take military action if another country fired mortars and rockets into our cities?
They blew up a load of hammas security forces, hammas generality keeps it;s military assets inside civilian areas (and launches it;s attacks from behind it;s own civilians ) so it can use them as human shields.
But You didn't answer the question.
Would you just stand there or attack back?
Would you have found it acceptable if Israel had responded in kind and just fired a bunch of rockets and mortar rounds at random into a Palestinian city?
I would hope Israel showed more civility than a grizzly bear in all honesty.
Poke a man in the eye, you expect to get punched.
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Or, in Palestine's case, don't fight a wounded animal.
Look, by your logic the 7/7 London bombings were justified because we invaded Iraq.
You have to take these attacks in context. Personally, in the Israel conflict, I would hope that I would stand back, as the last few decades of fighting have achieved absolutely nothing and I would wish to try something different.
The fact is that in this particular situation Israel have the upper hand because they have a proper military. However, they choose to use that military in the most childish manner possible (slap me and I'll break your neck). They're not exactly considered with their approach to force and seem quite willing to break out the largest missiles possible. In WW2, the British still treated the German POW's with respect and diginity, even though those Germans were the 'evil Nazi's' (random example i.e. during war, one side could still be civilised in certain areas). What I mean though, is that if Israel want to kill people, maybe they should concentrate on Hamas specifically? And not just blow up a load of civilians instead.
The Palestinians are not different or any better in their conduct. But they are the weaker side, with less killing power.
Both sides need to learn to live together. End of. Neither population is going anywhere and as usual, the civilians of both nationalities are paying the price.
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I can see why Hamas broke the ceasefire, the blockades on palestinian areas during the ceasefire were not exactly fair, basically for the ordinary palestinian you're damned if you fight and you're damned if you dont.
Its a vicous cycle that seems destined never to end
Its a vicous cycle that seems destined never to end
Edit - the link says 155 from Gaza officials not Hamas
Gaza is a Hamas "governed" area, Gazan officials are at least in office with the support of Hamas, if not actual members of Hamas.
This is the government the good people of Gaza voted for, and now we need to be sorry for them because Hamas keep launching rockets at Israeli towns ?
Funny, you don't hear much about Isreali attacks on the West Bank anymore. I wonder if thats because they kicked out Hamas, and nobody is using the place to launch rockets into Israel.
I can see why Hamas broke the ceasefire, the blockades on palestinian areas during the ceasefire were not exactly fair, basically for the ordinary palestinian you're damned if you fight and you're damned if you dont.
Its a vicous cycle that seems destined never to end
It seems to have pretty much ended in the West Bank. You don't hear too much about violence there anymore.
Edit - the link says 155 from Gaza officials not Hamas
Gaza elected hamas as their government.
That might be down to the huge wall the Israelis built there, along with the fact the people in the west bank, seem less willing to randomly attack (and now less able)
Love all the Israeli bashing i see its mostly from the same members that love to bash anything American.
They had a 6 month ceasefire it ended and the missiles once again started to come down on Israel so Israel retaliated and people wonder why?
Both sides have blood on their hands and its not going to end anytime soon with the tit for tat actions that go on and on you could say they are as bad as one another.
If England & Wales didnt get on and Wales frequently fired rockets over the border what do you think we would do? Most likely the same as Israel have done.
They had a 6 month ceasefire it ended and the missiles once again started to come down on Israel so Israel retaliated and people wonder why?
Both sides have blood on their hands and its not going to end anytime soon with the tit for tat actions that go on and on you could say they are as bad as one another.
If England & Wales didnt get on and Wales frequently fired rockets over the border what do you think we would do? Most likely the same as Israel have done.
What Israel does do, often amounts to much the same thing anyway. In the past they destroyed a residential tower block full of innocent civilians just to kill one man inside it for example.
If Israel only hit back at the people actually responsible for attacking their country and people, few people would complain. When they regularly and deliberately kill civilians, it isn't excusable. As well as being stupidly counterproductive to their own security.
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The situation with the IRA was dealt with though. Britain obviously isn't as incompetant it seems.
And Wales randomly firing rockets is a pointless example.
Again, look at the context of the situation.