Deaths in Gaza - Use of Israeli Force

Tbh, there is absolutely nowhere or no-one on the internet that is impartial when it comes to the Israeli / Palestinian conflict.

http://www.btselem.org/

SO if Israel is so intent on killing civilians like you claim, why don;t they use counter battery fire on the rockets hamas fires from inside civilian areas?

Well they used artillery against civilian houses in Hebron during the second intafada.

Gurgle - The alternative location for Israel in 1948 was Uganda, believe it or not.
 
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Well they used artillery against civilian houses in Hebron during the second intafada.
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Yet they don't use it every time there is a rocket attack?

Surely they should if they are just out to kill "as many Civilians as possible"?

But how would you fight an enemy that hides behind women and children?
 
Yet they don't use it every time there is a rocket attack?

Surely they should if they are just out to kill "as many Civilians as possible"?

But how would you fight an enemy that hides behind women and children?

I never said they are out to kill as many civilians as possible, think that was someone else. I simply believe the Israeli place no value whatsoever on Palestinian lives when conducting operations - shown pretty well during the second intafada when they used explosives to breach doors of civilian houses, killing civilians, used tanks to breach holes in the side of houses etc.

How would I fight an enemy that hides behind women and children? The same way we deal with terrorists in the UK and EU, through criminal prosecution. Terrorism is a method not an enemy.
 
shown pretty well during the second intafada when they used explosives to breach doors of civilian houses, killing civilians, used tanks to breach holes in the side of houses etc.

Like SWAT who use an old APC, and breaching charges?


How would I fight an enemy that hides behind women and children? The same way we deal with terrorists in the UK and EU, through criminal prosecution. Terrorism is a method not an enemy.

errr how exactly are you going to arrest these people without launching a full scale invasion to get close to them?
 
In my humble opinion, lawyers are not always the shining beacons of justice that they portray themselves to be.

The rule of law works for lawyers when it is convenient, and is twisted by them when it is not.

On topic, Israel has a right to defend itself from attack abd proactively target those who target Israel, but in terms of proportionality of Israel's military onslaught, you have my agreement there.

Mate, loads of lawyers are indeed idiots.

The problem with law, in comparison to Medicine, is that it is hard to become a doctor no matter what. Within reason, any old fool can become a solicitor, which is why I think they get a bad rep - many are indeed either negligent, or simply horrible people who commit fraud, or stupid, or all three!

But I think we can all agree how important the rule of law itself is!
 
How would I fight an enemy that hides behind women and children? The same way we deal with terrorists in the UK and EU, through criminal prosecution. Terrorism is a method not an enemy.

How do they arrest the members of Hamas when they make up the government of Gaza?
 
War throws these principles away. Which is why it is so horrific. It defies explanation and logic. But I would like to draw attention to the unreasonable and disproportionate use of Israeli force in the Gaza Strip.

Please explain your use of the terms "unreasonable" and "disproportionate". You have told us that you are a "lawyer" (presumably a foreign one, as I have never heard a member of our legal profession describe themselves thus); I fail to see how such an occupational background qualifies one to make assessments more suited to a military analyst or war correspondent.

In any event, what study of the circumstances behind all the casualties have you personally made that makes it appropriate, for you, to state that the Israeli military forces have acted unreasonably?
 
Israel should not exist. No homogenous state based on religion or race should.

It is not a homogeneous state (there are plenty of Israeli Arabs) and it is not based on religion or race.

It is based upon the historical ownership of Israel by the Jewish people. It is based upon the same principles under which indigenous peoples in North America, Scandinavia, New Zealand and Australia have received their own land rights.

The rebirth of Israel was vindicated by a UN vote. It exists, it has a right to exist, and it will always exist.
 
Israel is defending it's people from the actions of islamic terrorists

thats funny, because Isreal has no morale use for the word 'terrorist'. My grandfather was based in Palestine from around 1944 onwards, and was attacked numerous times by Isreali terrorists, the media makes no mention of this just as they do not show you the real footage of where the Isreali air strikes recently hit.

Rogue Palestinians fire a couple of rockets into Isreal, kill someone occaisionaly so Isreal start to call in air strikes on the Gaza strip? the most highly populated civilian terroitory? this is not defending your people.

their is response just shows you what the Zionist regime crave most, and that is blood shed.

Regardless of what is said and done, time and time again the Palestinians pay for it with the blood of their women and children whilst the illegitemate zionist regime of Isreal continue to push themselves closer to all out nuclear war.

Read the bible the real tribes of Judah will be led back to Isreal by the return of JC, not these Zionists.
 
Please explain your use of the terms "unreasonable" and "disproportionate". You have told us that you are a "lawyer" (presumably a foreign one, as I have never heard a member of our legal profession describe themselves thus); I fail to see how such an occupational background qualifies one to make assessments more suited to a military analyst or war correspondent.

In any event, what study of the circumstances behind all the casualties have you personally made that makes it appropriate, for you, to state that the Israeli military forces have acted unreasonably?

Simply disproportionate. Hamas have always commited small scale strikes. The level of retaliation (massive airstrikes) is disproportionate. This requires no specific expertise. Every question that comes before a court is never answered by an expert, but a judge. They are not factual questions but legal ones; experts only provide evidence.

As such, in our legal system, judges make law, not experts.

And I am not a foreign Lawyer, I am qualified in England & Wales, and work in London, where here we are call ourselves lawyers, not solicitors, for reasons I do not know (though partly attributable to the fact that some of us work for US firms and global US firms do have substantial presence in the commercial legal scene now).
 
It is not a homogeneous state (there are plenty of Israeli Arabs) and it is not based on religion or race.

It is based upon the historical ownership of Israel by the Jewish people. It is based upon the same principles under which indigenous peoples in North America, Scandinavia, New Zealand and Australia have received their own land rights.

The rebirth of Israel was vindicated by a UN vote. It exists, it has a right to exist, and it will always exist.

Indigenous people in America receiving land rights? Indigenous peoples should be granting rights, not being given them! But history is as it is.

When you say plenty, there is really only a minority and when Israel speak od themselves they never speak of a nation but of a race; 'they' want to wipe us off the map, etc. Israel refers to itself as a land of the jews that muslims want to destroy. The whole idea of the country was homogeneity, give or take, as opposed to, say, America, which was founded on a political idea - or on most old countries on simply historical development (namely chance) or failing that 19th century Nationalism.
 
Rogue Palestinians fire a couple of rockets into Isreal, kill someone occaisionaly so Isreal start to call in air strikes on the Gaza strip? the most highly populated civilian terroitory? this is not defending your people.

its a lot more than a couple
 
Simply disproportionate. Hamas have always commited small scale strikes. The level of retaliation (massive airstrikes) is disproportionate. This requires no specific expertise. Every question that comes before a court is never answered by an expert, but a judge. They are not factual questions but legal ones; experts only provide evidence (fact or opinion), that the judge then answers the legal question using.

As such, in our legal system, judges make law, not experts.

And I am not a foreign Lawyer, I am qualified in England & Wales, and work in London, where here we are call ourselves lawyers, not solicitors, for reasons I do not know (though partly attributable to the fact that some of us work for US firms and global US firms do have substantial presence in the commercial legal scene now).
 
the Gaza strip? the most highly populated civilian terroitory?

And that, is exactly why hamas like to hide there, hoping that the civilians will make a useful shield.

You'll notice when most nations choose places for artillery, and military stations they chose areas outside of civilian populations to avoid collateral damage caused by the counter attack.
 
i you think you will find that the vote didnt give them sovreign status.

I think you'll find that it did.

UN Resolution 181 concerned the division of the territory formerly governed under British mandate, for the purpose of creating separate Jewish and Arab states. 77% of that territory was given to the Arabs, who used it to create the Arab state of Trans-Jordan. This left 23%. Already we see that the Arabs were getting a damn good deal, receiving far more land than the Jews.

The remaining 23% was further divided; 56% of it was given to the Jews for the re-creation of their historic homeland, while 42% was given to the Arabs for the creation of yet another Arab state, and 2% was used to create a so-called "international zone" in and around Jerusalem.

The Jews were granted sovereignty over their territory, just as the Arabs were granted sovereignty over theirs.

The Jews accepted Resolution 181, but the Arab response was largely negative; Arab states throughout the region threatened violence and war, demanding the entire territory for themselves. Ironically, if the Arabs had accepted Resolution 181, the Palestinians would now be living in an area much larger than the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
 
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