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AMD Phenom II Review

It's difficult to judge one against the other based on power consumption as they use different methods to arrive at the figure.

Lets just hope that the power consumption is somewhat lower than a q6600
running at 3.6Ghz with 1.5v+ vcore. :)
 
Corasik said:
Your missing the point too. The Bench wasnt comparing an i7, it was a Yorkfield. Until intel phase out Yorkfield, then Phenom II isnt competing with i7 platform. Its competing with Yorkfield. Anyone with an existing Yorkfield compatible motherboard might as well slap in a Yorkfield quad, rather than make a switch to AMD/Phenom II.

The only people Phenom II will really interest is people who already have an AMD system, and that sure isnt 95% of people. People with an out of date system might as well just toss a coin to select between a PhenomII 940 and a Intel Q9450/9550 setup.
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This is exactly the point some people do not understand. Right now I have an E2180. My next upgrade is going to be a Yorkfield, a Q9450 or Q9550. Makes absolutely no sense for me to get an AMD platform and get a Phenom II processor EVEN if the AMD P2 is priced competitively. People like me, a lot of people, would actually save money and grief just by going the Intel route.
 
kppanic said:
This is exactly the point some people do not understand. Right now I have an E2180. My next upgrade is going to be a Yorkfield, a Q9450 or Q9550. Makes absolutely no sense for me to get an AMD platform and get a Phenom II processor EVEN if the AMD P2 is priced competitively. People like me, a lot of people, would actually save money and grief just by going the Intel route.
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If Phenom 2 is priced just below Q9xxx and the AM2+ boards are more or less 1:1 used price swap to your 775 board, it makes no difference really.
 
Sadly I think there's still a stigma attached to AMD CPU's. I look forward to the future, more trustworthy, reviews and to see the real win/lose scenarios revealed.

It's been said countless times that AMD TDP =/= Intel TDP, and therefore and 65W/130W numbers are purely hypothetical. The most important number is the power draw at the socket.

Also, it should be very apparent that even with the Phenom 2, that AMD are still competing against the budget side of Intel chips.

If Phenom 2 can make a good enough case for itself to be chucked into HP's £300-600 desktop range then it can still be successful, even if not for us.
 
nightmare99 said:
Its the Q9550S, its due real soon its even on the Q1 Intel product matrix.
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January 18th if not delayed

source : http://www.dailytech.com/Upcoming+B...rs+for+Desktop+Market+Leaked/article13449.htm

Q9550s 2.83 GHz 12MB 1333 MHz = $369

Q9400s 2.66 GHz 6MB 1333 MHz = $320

Q8200s 2.33 GHz 4MB 1333 MHz = $245
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Beginning on January 18, Intel will launch three new Core 2 Quad processors with a TDP of just 65W. This is compared to a 95W TDP for most other Core 2 Quad processors. At the time of launch, the price premium for the Q8200s, Q9400s, and Q9550s will be $62, $54, and $53 respectively compared to the non "s" models.
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rypt said:
If Phenom 2 is priced just below Q9xxx and the AM2+ boards are more or less 1:1 used price swap to your 775 board, it makes no difference really.
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Again you miss the point. For a phenom I would have to swap my mobo. That costs time and money. That's more grief. I don't want to do that.

Even if the price for a phenom is a little less than 1:1 I would get a q9450/9550
 
I think most people are assuming that people with older/lower end core 2 processors will keep their current motherboard.
I know that when I want to upgrade I will (unless I get a lot of money from somewhere) be keeping my DDR2 ram but changing my motherboard to something better, which is why I could go either intel or amd.
 
the ddr is the cheapest part of any dd2 rig at the moment due to crazy prices

i have just ordered q9550 and have got at present

abit ip35-e / [email protected] / 4gb geil 6500


should be a nice little increase in cpu power :d
 
All these new chips are a bit silly I think. I run a ~two year old ~£60 at the time, E4300. Its stock speed was 1.8GHz but mine's overclocked to 3.2GHz on a 356MHz bus. What does anyone need more than a 3.2GHz Core 2 duo for? Okay I guess video encoding and what have you would be faster on a quad... but my general point is that CPU performance just isn't that important these days.

I remember the days of going from a 386sx to a 486DX2, from a 450MHz Celeron 300A to a 1.4GHz Athlon... and most recently from a Northwood to the aforementioned Core 2 duo. But these days processors just aren't the limit they once where.
 
DDR2 prices are going up fast, they dropped so stupidly low(ie a quality 5-4-4-15 ocz 4gig pack for £40 easily) because all the main players were making such large quantities of chips they had more than they could store so sold them cheaper than they were actually making them for. Partially due to economic reasons and layings off, partially to reduce supply to raise prices a little so they aren't making a loss on each chip and partially because it was unsustainable most of the big players cut production massively and the chips have already had some 30% bump in price.

THat same 4Gig pack has gone from £40 to £58, and will probably continue to go up for the next month or so. If you're going to buy some, get some now.
 
Might have something to do with the fact that the £ has fallen badly against all currencies except the Yen.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Partially due to economic reasons......... partially because it was unsustainable most of the big players cut production massively and the chips have already had some 30% bump in price.

THat same 4Gig pack has gone from £40 to £58, and will probably continue to go up for the next month or so.
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Partially? Surely the main reason is the now 75% value of the £/$ ratio from what it was 2 months ago. If you assume that this will not likely get any worse, then perhaps there wont be a significant hike in DDR2 prices in the short term.

The price /mb of DDR memory never went back up much. It only seemed to as 4GB became the norm vs the 1GB back in DDR's prime. A 512mb stick which was the norm back then, costs less today than in DDR's heyday.
 
Richdog said:
Some benchies here... http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=311128

I don't get why there aren't tons of reviews out now that they're available in the US.
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Possibly because most review sites seem to be sponsored by Intel so they're not gonna rush at putting up reviews.

I'm not sure tbh, because we all know that Intel have the performance crown overall with the i7 atm, and that Phenom II is competing with the core 2 quads Intel has until they are replaced by the mainstream i7 part with the dual channel memory controller.

I do get a funny feeling that a lot people are waiting for a revision of the i7 to happen or the maintream part to be released before upgrading their current core 2 systems. People with AM2+ systems will most likely just get a Phenom II and be happy.
 
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