Autistic teenager kicked baby in the face

[Tefal]

Works for him and relieves his stress. He assures me no-one picks on him at school, which I find remarkable.

He'd probably knock em through a wall with that back pack

Although i did the same thing at school though only with books not the p.e kit too.

 

[^TANK^]

So you didn't hit him when he was saying those things, but you broke his face for looking at you funny :/

I think the looking at him funny was the icing on the cake so to speak, I rather doubt he would risk a prison sentence for just a silly look from some idiot.

 

[Sanguinnus]

He's at the age now where he is doing a lot of stuff with the rational part of his brain to counteract the confused parts, watching the school gates (he's now in a normal comprehensive, but is seconded, ie given assistance), as all the other kids come out he's instantly visible carrying his huge rucksack with all his books for every conceivable lesson in it and his PE and swimming kit, he'll not go to school without it, everyone else uses a locker but he's worked out the most consistent and reliable method of turning up at any given lesson with the correct things is to always have all of it at all times.
Works for him and relieves his stress. He assures me no-one picks on him at school, which I find remarkable.

isn't it mildly ironic that other children can seem to be more understanding of such things than some of the posters here? Not meaning to slate anyone but I can't help but shake my head a little at that glaring fact.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

isn't it mildly ironic that other children can seem to be more understanding of such things than some of the posters here? Not meaning to slate anyone but I can't help but shake my head a little at that glaring fact.

At my wifes school they have special units in the school devoted to autism and the normal kids grow up with them knowing no difference.
A few years before a couple of schools had to shut down and move into that school and parents weren't very happy about it.
Some of them were holding banners saying "We don't want our kids mixing with those special kids" - unbelievable.

My wife reckons I have autistic tendencies and she should know.

 

[Sanguinnus]

At my wifes school they have special units in the school devoted to autism and the normal kids grow up with them knowing no difference.
A few years before a couple of schools had to shut down and move into that school and parents weren't very happy about it.
Some of them were holding banners saying "We don't want our kids mixing with those special kids" - unbelievable.

My wife reckons I have autistic tendencies and she should know.

It just goes to prove the point really doesn't it? makes you wonder about the "kids can be so cruel" moniker

 

[Tefal]

Some of them were holding banners saying "We don't want our kids mixing with those special kids" - unbelievable.

That's a heck of a mouthful for a banner/placard.

 

[mejinks]

I hope you never have an autistic kid then. That'd be super fun, locking him up in an asylum for the rest of his life.

If I had an autistic child and he was a danger to the public, then yes. I would. Why do you think there are laws against taking a lion for a walk down the street? They may never atack someone, but the risk is there.

Well, the autistic person must have the right to do it as what has happened? Nothing. No I agree, we must understand this condition some more, but until we fully understand it, the most dangerous people should be kept away from people they can harm instead of sticking your head in the sand and saying they don't have a problem.

Where are our human rights? As harsh as it sounds, separating people like this is the most effective way of ensuring it doesn't happen again. Its certainly more effective than pretending there isn't a problem and ignoring what this autistic person has done.

 

[wordy]

If I had an autistic child and he was a danger to the public, then yes. I would. Why do you think there are laws against taking a lion for a walk down the street? They may never atack someone, but the risk is there.

Well, the autistic person must have the right to do it as what has happened? Nothing. No I agree, we must understand this condition some more, but until we fully understand it, the most dangerous people should be kept away from people they can harm instead of sticking your head in the sand and saying they don't have a problem.

Where are our human rights? As harsh as it sounds, separating people like this is the most effective way of ensuring it doesn't happen again. Its certainly more effective than pretending there isn't a problem and ignoring what this autistic person has done.

No you flippin' well wouldn't, you'd get every ounce of governemt funded help you could and you'd adjust your life around your child. Wanting him/her to lead as normal life as possible.

Who said anything about the 18 year olds right to do this? of course he hasn't got the right to do it, but how do you impose justice on someone so severly autistic that for whatever reason he stmps on a baby? How do you get him to understand the concept of justice?

For all we know this maybe the first time anything like this has happened, so it caught his carers as off guard as everyone else.

 

[Things change I've changed]

If I had an autistic child and he was a danger to the public, then yes. I would. Why do you think there are laws against taking a lion for a walk down the street? They may never atack someone, but the risk is there.

Well, the autistic person must have the right to do it as what has happened? Nothing. No I agree, we must understand this condition some more, but until we fully understand it, the most dangerous people should be kept away from people they can harm instead of sticking your head in the sand and saying they don't have a problem.

Where are our human rights? As harsh as it sounds, separating people like this is the most effective way of ensuring it doesn't happen again. Its certainly more effective than pretending there isn't a problem and ignoring what this autistic person has done.

Unbelievable seriously, we can't start segregating all autistic people from society, this type of mentality is madness, these are human beings, if we start thinking like this then we may as well ban all people from driving becuase of the amount of children that get killed in car crashes every year, it's ridiculous, we are living in a unpredictable world, sometimes unfortunate incidents like this just happen and nobody is really to blame, with all accidents you can look back and say "oh but what if", but the only way you could have stopped it was to go back in time with the memory of the after thought, the only thing you can do now is make sure that careers/parents are more aware of these kinds of situations and to be more vigilant in the future, these incidents are very very rare, to restrict so many peoples innocent lives over it would be unfair.

We can't start placing sanctions on all people that we feel are unpredictable but haven't got a history of this type of behaviour, we as human beings are all pretty much unpredictable, there are more children assaulted/killed by what we thought to be 'normal' people in one day compared to a years worth of assaults by the mentally ill.

 

[The Edge]

My wife reckons I have autistic tendencies and she should know.

We all do

It becomes Autism when the habits, tendancies and behavioural triggers control you.

IMO and experience Autism is on the increase becuase diagnosis is better. Some kids are no longer "naughty" they are autistic/aspergers etc. In most cases this is a good thing as medication and phsycological treatment becomes available along with family support, but of course there are also cases where the label becomes an excuse. I don't think this has happened with the case in question.

 

[Morba]

Are you saying it's joyous that they exist as opposed to being born healthy?

AS that's generally what people mean when they saying things like "oh Joan's son is disabled it's so sad" it doesn't mean they want to take a shotgun to the little tike.

so sad is not the same as sadly people like this exist.
No, im not saying its joyous, it is unfortunate for anyone to have a disability, be it from birth or not. However, i am saying that its not always a bad thing.

 

[mejinks]

Unbelievable seriously, we can't start segregating all autistic people from society, this type of mentality is madness, these are human beings, if we start thinking like this then we may as well ban all people from driving becuase of the amount of children that get killed in car crashes every year, it's ridiculous, we are living in a unpredictable world, sometimes unfortunate incidents like this just happen and nobody is really to blame, with all accidents you can look back and say "oh but what if", but the only way you could have stopped it was to go back in time with the memory of the after thought, the only thing you can do now is make sure that careers/parents are more aware of these kinds of situations and to be more vigilant in the future, these incidents are very very rare, to restrict so many peoples innocent lives over it would be unfair.

We can't start placing sanctions on all people that we feel are unpredictable but haven't got a history of this type of behaviour, we as human beings are all pretty much unpredictable, there are more children assaulted/killed by what we thought to be 'normal' people in one day compared to a years worth of assaults by the mentally ill.

Im afraid your analogy is pants and very weak. From your justification then, we should let rapists and peados and murderers out of prison then, because they might never do it again.

What Im saying is that this individual has proved not to be safe around people and should be locked away for his own safety as well as that of others.

You have to ask why this autisitic chap hadn't acted like that before? If it was a trigger, then surely he has either been imprisoned all his life and not exposed to it or his condition is getting worse. Either way, I wouldn't want him anywhere near anyone he could harm. You don't pick fight you aren't certain of winning, thats inbuilt and requires no thought. If you can't see this then its pointless arguing with you.

I notice you were careful not to say "accident", but then you go on to basically explain why we live in such a poor society ruled by goody two shoes and chavs. You explain away everything with "aww, they are poor, aww they are disadvantaged, aww, they are mentally unstable" I bet if push came to shove and an autistic person walked up to you and punched you in the face because you were wearing the wrong colour shirt, you wouldn't stand there and say "awww, its not his fault its society that made him do that" Actually, you probably would wouldn't you.

 

[Guzzidom]

Im afraid your analogy is pants and very weak. From your justification then, we should let rapists and peados and murderers out of prison then, because they might never do it again.

What Im saying is that this individual has proved not to be safe around people and should be locked away for his own safety as well as that of others.

You have to ask why this autisitic chap hadn't acted like that before? If it was a trigger, then surely he has either been imprisoned all his life and not exposed to it or his condition is getting worse. Either way, I wouldn't want him anywhere near anyone he could harm. You don't pick fight you aren't certain of winning, thats inbuilt and requires no thought. If you can't see this then its pointless arguing with you.

I notice you were careful not to say "accident", but then you go on to basically explain why we live in such a poor society ruled by goody two shoes and chavs. You explain away everything with "aww, they are poor, aww they are disadvantaged, aww, they are mentally unstable" I bet if push came to shove and an autistic person walked up to you and punched you in the face because you were wearing the wrong colour shirt, you wouldn't stand there and say "awww, its not his fault its society that made him do that" Actually, you probably would wouldn't you.

The paedo's and murderers are in prison because they have been tirelessly assessed for sanity, otherwise they go to a secure hospital for the sake of society, so your thinking there implodes itself. Autistics don't think in terms of "picking fights to win", or even picking fights at all, often though, loud noises will effect a fear reaction and I suspect that's what's happened here, the autistic isn't to blame but his carers should have assessed the risk more accurately (I bet they do now).
I've never heard of anyone with severe autism lashing out at a colour, maybe if someone waves their arms around a lot in front of them or makes sudden shouts to alarm them, the only thing that they want is the thing to go away and go into full "fight or flight" mode.
And I can't see where society was blamed in lowriders post either.
I'm not too fond of my son being lumped in with paedo's, rapists and murderers thanks.

 

[RDM]

Who said anything about the 18 year olds right to do this? of course he hasn't got the right to do it, but how do you impose justice on someone so severly autistic that for whatever reason he stmps on a baby? How do you get him to understand the concept of justice?

You aren't helping yourself with this statement. If you can't get him to understand the concept then surely he is at risk of doing it again? If so, then he shouldn't be allowed to get into situations where this could happen? What can you do if the Autism is that bad?

 

[Tefal]

You aren't helping yourself with this statement. If you can't get him to understand the concept then surely he is at risk of doing it again? If so, then he shouldn't be allowed to get into situations where this could happen? What can you do if the Autism is that bad?

yes but putting him in prison (ie charging him) will solve nothing. People see "no charges" and think "no action" there will be lots of things done. For one you can bet his parents arn;t going to ever let him out of their grasp in public again. And social will probbably be doing a lot of check ups and possibly providing extra help/people for when he;s taken out. or the family will be avoiding taking him places where he will be startled.

It's not like they have just said ooh well he's autistic its ok then.

*I'm sure those who work in this field will be able to say more precisely what actions will be taken.



Seriously ask your self what would you do if your autistic son did this?

 

[Guzzidom]

yes but putting him in prison (ie charging him) will solve nothing. People see "no charges" and think "no action" there will be lots of things done. For one you can bet his parents arn;t going to ever let him out of their grasp in public again. And social will probbably be doing a lot of check ups and possibly providing extra help/people for when he;s taken out. or the family will be avoiding taking him places where he will be startled.

It's not like they have just said ooh well he's autistic its ok then.

*I'm sure those who work in this field will be able to say more precisely what actions will be taken.



Seriously ask your self what would you do if your autistic son did this?

I'd be utterly, utterly mortified, however the only one who's showing any signs is my "normal" 3 year old, who pushed one of the other little kiddies ( a little black lad) off the slide at nursery the other day because he was trying to kiss him, I personally apologised to the parents because the other kid had a bruise on his cheek, they just shrugged it off as "kids are kids, they bounce OK", it's like lord of the flies in there an older girl who my boy is soft on repeatedly strikes him on the head with a pencil case which doesn't seem to dampen his enthusiasm at all.

 

[RDM]

yes but putting him in prison (ie charging him) will solve nothing. People see "no charges" and think "no action" there will be lots of things done. For one you can bet his parents arn;t going to ever let him out of their grasp in public again. And social will probbably be doing a lot of check ups and possibly providing extra help/people for when he;s taken out. or the family will be avoiding taking him places where he will be startled.

I am not actually arguing against what happened, I was just saying that it was a poor argument to use. There is now way the CPS would get a conviction and prison would help in the slightest so what would the point be? Better care is a must however, not just for his sake but for the risk he could pose to others. That would need to be assessed and dealt with.

Seriously ask your self what would you do if your autistic son did this?

My first reaction would be complete suprise as I only have one child who is a daughter rather than a son and, while a bit shy, isn't autistic.

To be honest I couldn't answer, much like I would find it difficult to answer what I would have done if it had been my child that had been stepped upon. However I think my first reaction would have been the well being of my child rather than enacting vengence.

 

[sausagerolls]

removed my user.. sorry guys i want to stay

 

[Things change I've changed]

What Im saying is that this individual has proved not to be safe around people and should be locked away for his own safety as well as that of others.

I'm sorry your overreacting, why the extreme approach ?, you lock up people that are in control of their behaviour, not those that are mentally ill, (unless of course they can't be taken care of or have a history of uncontrollable aggressive behaviour), all that needs to be done is a revaluation of the his care and make sure that he doesn't end up in a similar situation in the future. like I said, it was an unfortunate incident that I don't think anyone could've of predicted at that time.

You have to ask why this autistic chap hadn't acted like that before? If it was a trigger, then surely he has either been imprisoned all his life and not exposed to it or his condition is getting worse. Either way, I wouldn't want him anywhere near anyone he could harm. You don't pick fight you aren't certain of winning, thats inbuilt and requires no thought. If you can't see this then its pointless arguing with you.

Ugh, who's arguing ?, I'm quite happy just discussing this, anyway, from the above post I really don't think you understand autism very well, this person wasn't picking a fight, he was most probably acting out in defence to what he felt was a threat and didn't understand the severity of his actions, to him it was possibly 'something' that was maybe making a noise that made him feel a certain way in his mind that forced him to react, there are any number of reasons tbh.

I bet if push came to shove and an autistic person walked up to you and punched you in the face because you were wearing the wrong colour shirt, you wouldn't stand there and say "awww, its not his fault its society that made him do that" Actually, you probably would wouldn't you.

Honestly, if that happened to me I would probably attempt to punch the person back, but if the carers quickly shouted "his autistic" in his defence I would restrain myself, and then immediately direct my then 'restrained' anger towards the carers, not the autistic teenager, I would obviously want to make sure that this doesn't happen again and that the autistic teenager is governed better in future.

 

[Guzzidom]

tbh if it was my child i would have broke the retards jaw, thats just unacceptable no matter how special he is.

I think I'll leave this thread alone.
Suffice to say the "retard" would have had no idea why he had a broken jaw, or any idea why he was assaulted, or what he did wrong, the only person who would have gained anything from the whole sorry (hypothetical) affair would be the big man who punched a disabled youth.