I guess I am extremely lucky to have such a good person as a brother, so i am obviously as biased as one can be to this particular debate. He can be a stubborn arse if you are trying to teach him somthing and he just doesn't want to learn anything that particular afternoon so I see where you are coming from, so fair play I can agree with you in removing exceptionally problematic people from densely populated society, it's just the method by which you do it I guess.
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I guess I am extremely lucky to have such a good person as a brother, so i am obviously as biased as one can be to this particular debate. He can be a stubborn arse if you are trying to teach him somthing and he just doesn't want to learn anything that particular afternoon so I see where you are coming from, so fair play I can agree with you in removing exceptionally problematic people from densely populated society, it's just the method by which you do it I guess.
Ok what about Dexter Morgan in the tv series. If such a person exisited in real life would that be OK with you because he was "born" and not given a choice as such?
What about the people that hear noises in their mind "ordering" them to commit crimes i'm not sure if they have a switch which can turn this on and off and I also think they have a disorder of somesort.
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It took a decade for docs to diagnosis my gfs kid and he is an extreme case .
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I think you've made a bit of an assumption that Ive read the whole thread. Much like most people who may have their babies face stamped on they wouldn't check on a forum about the moral dilemma they face and how to deal with the debilating symptoms that are associated with having a child that has an alergy to strangers shoes on their face...
Your brother and sister card doesnt work either. It desensitises you to retaliate to people other than your siblings, especially things like your brother hoovering your hamster when messing about with Rota-stack...
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many such people have been born, and no once they start taking human life it is not "ok". and they are given treatment until they are well (or in most cases until they sadly pass on unaided by us, because we cannot help no matter how much we try.)
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I haven't changed any wording. And I'm not saying how you would react. I'm saying that you couldn't possibly know how you'd react in a situation like that until it has happened, but I can be fairly sure it wouldn't be as measured as you're trying to suggest in your post.
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No not a 100%, agreed, but I'm pretty dam sure, and if this isn't you saying how I would react then I don't know what is tbh,
Seems your pretty sure how I would react there.
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Yep, and i'd be right.
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I know two autistic kids very well ,one is pleasant ,non violent but in dream land the other is a violent destructive nightmare maybe they should have different terms for them .
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No I haven't assumed you read the whole, that's why I quoted myself for you to read, but tbh perhaps it would be a good idea to read the thread first before entering into debate becuase you'll miss posts that potentially answers questions that you my have in your mind so then you won't waste time posting them and have other people like me having to quote myself to answer you.
And for your information I love my brothers sister more than you will ever know and I've had to deal with some pretty scary situations with my sister that would make you cringe, I won't go into on here as it will derail the thread and I'm not really in the mood to talk about it but trust me.
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The above is what I believe my truest reaction would be.
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Then why say this \/ then lol (and I'm not laughing sarcastically),
You say one thing like "I'm not telling you how you would react" then when I show you proof that you have, you then go on to tell me your right about telling me how I would react lol
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Never seen Dexter so can't comment. As for people hearing voices in their heads to commit crimes then yes they should be institutionalised, those people obviously have issues and need help as they are a danger to society. A person who is Autistic is not necessarily a danger to society but he/she does need a carer with them to make sure of that. I know with some Autistic people if they are not in familiar surroundings and are taken out they can sometimes panic and this is probably what has happened with the guy kicking the baby. The carers should have been more responsible here.
With Rain man the Autistic guy has a gift of being able to calculate things that most would need a calculator for and that probably adding a bit of hollywood spin on it but what they showed well was despite being with his brother he showed no emotion towards him and how when he was taken out of his normal day to day routine how quickly he would panic. Those things are very real for those who are autistic.
Not seen that other film you list but I will check that out.
Well I personally only labelled my brother austistic as that's what the doctor said it was and it gives my original post more gravitas to shut some of the less ignorant ones up, but honestly one man's problems are his alone and sadly one labels them only so you can get the paperwork done which just makes solving the problem all the harder.
I know that so many people can be so destructive and violent though, i've met some of them at my brother's school, it looks like a battle that can't be won in so many cases. But you go back a couple of years later and the majority are completely different people just from having extremeley patient education.
Yeah sure, I have not read it for many years so apologies for any mistakes in the story but I remember the themes.Tefal said:
It's set in America during the depression and you have two main characters George and Lennie, Lennie is an innocent huge well built man but midly retarded shall we say. Both want to find work during what is a hard time for labourers all over america, what we have is a mismatched but winning team, we have George, who can speak for Lenny who is obviously a valuable asset due to his size but otherwise would not get work due to the bigoted nature of people of the time.
Lennie has a fondness for animals, his lack of the understanding of mortality becomes evident early on when Lennie accidently kills a small mouse that he was petting (he has a fixation with soft objects, this is important), this happens again with rabbits I believe and george chastises him for it again.
They find work on a large farm owned by a man called Crooks who has a son called Curley who is very protective, but mistrusting of his wife. Curley's wife obviously turned on by Lennie's good looks and ignorant of his limited mental capacity tries to seduce him. Lennie just likes stroking Curley's wife's long soft hair. From there on Curley hates Lennie with a passion, I think they have a fight as Curley is also a boxer but I cannot remember to be honest.
Now for some reason whilst Lennie and Curley's wife are alone in the barn somthing spooks Lenny and he breaks Curley's wife neck by accident, this all becomes revealed. The point why this becomes important to this thread is how the characters wish to deal with Lennie. Curley wishes him to suffer, however, tragically George elects himself to give a quick painless end to Lennie's life and shoots him in the head.
The main themes of the book are not to do with mental illness, its mainly about dreams, man's prosperity leading to cruelty, fate and loneliness. But obivously for me Lennie sticks out more than anything else for me and this being my favourite quote in my copy of it:
You see what i'm getting at i'm sure.
Thing is, I only truly know my brother so i know I don't hold the answer for every case and scenario, but I know more than most.
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Thank you for that
And it helps to explain your point very much
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Sorry LR are you talking t me (sorry I don't get people without quotes)
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I was just saying that what that nurse said had familiarities with one of my earlier posts, specificity in regards to the autistic teenager acting out becuase of the noise, I.E. the baby crying, and not understanding what he was doing.
ah sorry in my narcissism I misunderstand
I'm sorry I misunderstood
But Since that very "aggressive" msn convo I unfortunately hold uyo in disregard as force of habit.
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What are you talking about ?, why don't you post up that convo on here, becuase I honestly don't remember being aggressive towards you, I'm guessing you keep a log of your MSN conversations ?, I remember being drunk one night adding you to MSN becuase you we're quoting me on here telling me to go and kill myself which obviously isn't very nice, but I don't remember exchanging any harsh words with you 
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If I was truly being aggressive and you have logs please give them to the admin, if anyone is being aggressive towards you on here then that is what you should do.
EDIT - I will explain something though, I'm not trying to be a judge on here like you and morba said, but I am someone that likes fairness and equality, I also don't like people picking on or using other members as the butt of their jokes, especially when it is in a thread that is based on a sensitive and delicate subject matter and someone comes in makes an very unsympathetic joke just to try and get their forum ego stroked, this is part of my personality traits, I'm like it in the real world so obviously I'm like it on here, I am pretty true to my character on here, you though I fear are not, perhaps you should take some of your overzealousness and confidence that you have on these forums use it in real life, it might do you the world of good, you could eventually end up in a position where you don't have to rely on being a 'somebody' on an internet forum any more, unless of course your only confident @ pulling people down on here and pedantically criticising peoples posts all the time, which tbh you seems to do quite a lot.
Now I think the best we thing we can do from now on is try and stay out of each others hair, there's a lot of members on here so it's not surprising there are going to be a few that don't gel well with each other, I will try my best to be a bit more tolerant.
.If I was truly being aggressive and you have logs please give them to the admin, if anyone is being aggressive towards you on here then that is what you should do.
EDIT - I will explain something though, I'm not trying to be a judge on here like you and morba said, but I am someone that likes fairness and equality, I also don't like people picking on or using other members as the butt of their jokes, especially when it is in a thread that is based on a sensitive and delicate subject matter and someone comes in makes an very unsympathetic joke just to try and get their forum ego stroked, this is part of my personality traits, I'm like it in the real world so obviously I'm like it on here, I am pretty true to my character on here, you though I fear are not, perhaps you should take some of your overzealousness and confidence that you have on these forums use it in real life, it might do you the world of good, you could eventually end up in a position where you don't have to rely on being a 'somebody' on an internet forum any more, unless of course your only confident @ pulling people down on here and pedantically criticising peoples posts all the time, which tbh you seems to do quite a lot.
Now I think the best we thing we can do from now on is try and stay out of each others hair, there's a lot of members on here so it's not surprising there are going to be a few that don't gel well with each other, I will try my best to be a bit more tolerant.
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