Dynamite lol.
A day out ratting
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Dynamite lol.
Gas them!
*Edit* I don't understand this whole "save the rats" fiasco... not as if they provide to modern society other than annoy farmers, which might tickle a few people. But seriously, they're not your best friends unless you have some sort of Rat Fetish. They were being a nuisance, they were gotten rid of. Deal with it.
ROFLMAO @ Helium LOL You are actually making a serious point there??? LOLOLOLOL Rainmaker, I was beginning to think you actually had the foundations of a legitimate argument but agreeing with the utter rubbish trawled by heluim is just laughable. So helium, you fight foxes for your dinner do you???????? lolol. Oh <>-< , this is good.
I think this just proves my point about you. You really don't like someone pointing out the errors of your ways.... so you tell on them! LOL!
I'm perfectly entitled to an opinion of you whether you like it or not.
I didn't "tell" on you, that would involve hitting the RTM button. You ARE entitled to your opinion of course. I was simply pointing out that, according to the OcUK rules you are very wrong to state you can call me all the names you wish. Unless you wanted some holiday time, anyway.
Fair play mate. As I said earlier people's definition of 'family friendly' is a subjective thing. All the hunting forums I go on are 'family friendly' and post a lot more explicit things than a bit of ratting. Depends on whether hunting, nature, butchering carcases etc upsets your sensibilities. Personally that's something I'd always drum into children, and have them do themselves. I agree to disagree.
I tip my hat to you, since you're leaving the thread. Have a good one
Not explicitly, no. But predation-for-sport by foxes on farms causes untold millions in financial loss and loss of stock. As does contamination by vermin in general. So yes, pests and vermin affect our food chain. That's why they're classed as pests and vermin mate, think about it.
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Thank you for enlightening us about good taste.
I'm still trying to perfect my one-swat fly kills. I'm sorry to say I have wounded a few of the poor defenceless creatures in the process though
Well if you like the taste of fly guts raw, more power to you. Maggots too?
I don't think there's a more humane method than a well placed hit of a snap trap. Usually it's BAM and the animal is dead instantly. The use of guns and the use of dogs are also way more humane than your conventional poisons, but I do not know enough about all of them to consider their humanness, but I wouldn't think they are. Bad collateral too.
But I don't think the method of killing is in question, it's rather the moral question of enjoying hurting and killing things.
Prehaps they love them to death. and then die from
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Prognosis
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kidney failure,
jaundice,
shock,
internal bleeding, and
inflammation of the heart.
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Leptospirosis is an infectious condition that can cause a variety of different symptoms. For example, it can cause mild flu-like symptoms, such as fever and pain or, in severe cases, it can result in multiple-organ failure and internal bleeding. Following these serious symptoms, leptospirosis can sometimes result in death.
Leptospirosis is a zoonotic condition, which means that it can be spread from animals to humans. Animals, such as rats, pigs, and dogs can become infected by bacteria called leptospires. They can then contaminate a water source by urinating into it.
If a human then comes into close contact with the infected water, such as through the eyes mouth, nose or any cuts in their skin, they can then become infected with leptospirosis.
How common is leptospirosis?
Leptospirosis is a global condition that is found across the world. Rates of leptospirosis are highest in tropical and sub-tropical locations, particularly in rural areas. However, the condition is becoming increasingly widespread in urban areas that have poor levels of sanitation.
It is estimated that globally 10 million people will catch leptospirosis every year. It is hard to estimate how many people die from leptospirosis because many cases occur in parts of the developing world where causes of death are not routinely reported.
However, some experts have estimated that the fatality rate from leptospirosis could range anywhere from between 5-25%. Deaths from leptospirosis tend to be higher in countries where access to good quality healthcare is limited.
In England and Wales, leptospirosis is very rare, with an average of 40 cases being reported each year. Since 1996, there have only been three deaths as a result of leptospirosis.
Prognosis
Leptospirosis is an usual condition in that its symptoms can vary wildly from person to person. Some people with the condition can have no symptoms at all, although most will experience symptoms that are similar to the influenza (flu).
An estimated 5-10% of people will experience the most serious form of leptospirosis, which is also known as Weil’s disease. Weil’s disease can cause:
kidney failure,
jaundice,
shock,
internal bleeding, and
inflammation of the heart.
Leptospirosis can be treated using antibiotics. Hospital admission is usually required for the most serious form of leptospirosis because the body’s functions will need to be supported until the infection has passed.
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No, of course I don't fight foxes for my dinner, you seem to be having difficulty grasping the concept of what foxes are and what they do. You should get to know some farmers, they'll enlighten you and I'm pretty certain that you would change your mind if you ever saw the aftermath of a fox attack.
If you care for living creatures why don't you give a hoot what happens to the chickens and other small animals that the foxes kill for sport?
You need to open your eyes, you are supremely overconfident in your ignorance and it's making you act very rudely and quite immaturely in what otherwise could be an interesting debate.
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In my original post I think I was clear enough in stating that I love animals that are pets, wild or for working.
I'm not a lover of pest vermin that carry disease and have other negative impacts on the area where they reside.
Not sure what alasoar is, sorry. My English knowledge obviously isn't good enough, neither is Word or Google in helping me understand what you meant
"Did you mean: Allosaur Top 2 results shown" ?
I think Mr Brown was making an acronym of Animal Lover And Supporter Of Animal Rights (ALASOR)
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That's because there isn't a "save the rats" thing going on here, most people admit they must be controlled. Some are just questioning the method, and intention behind the OP. And since when does something have to provide to modern society to have ethical consideration? The magpies down the road from my place don't do jack for society, does that mean any ethical consideration regarding them is forfeit?
I'll have to add to your point about them being a nuisance - were they? If they were invading the home, then fair enough... but out on a field with no human contact?
They don't really need to be anyone's "best friends". It's just human empathy at work here, a quality I find good in a person.
Helium: Your comment in that thread was laughable. I don't need to defend my argument. I have seen the aftermath of many fox attacks and I know they can be a pest. You like many others have missed the point of this debate however. Very few people are against protecting life against pests and disease. Its how you go about it that matters to many people. Did I say I did'nt give a hoot about farm animlas? I care about all life (to a sensible degree). I dont like seeing it abused.
If you check back in the thread, they were/are breeding by the hundred in and around the cover crops. The amount of maize and sweetcorn destroyed by them is phenomenal. They also take chicks and eggs. Just because it's not in your house, doesn't mean it's not being a nuisance. Again as I said earlier, it's funny how some people (not talking about you specifically as you haven't really said it) find it morally outrageous to kill rats in a field of crops. But as soon as they have one at home...
EDIT: And just to add... Once they've finished decimating the crop, and the population has exploded, where do you think they go next in search of warmth and food? Hint: You'll be shopping for poison.
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So you're not an animal lover then, you're just being selective. "Pest vermin" are still animals, whether you like it or not.
Your first sentence makes no sense.
Your second sentence suggest a method of rat control that would control a lot of other animals too. You obviously have no knowledge of the countryside and the animals that live there.
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Ok, fair enough then.
I tend to leave animals outside my house and garden alone because they are of no threat to me. If they're being a nuisance next door for example, then it's not really any of my business. It's the same with rabbits by the creek. Rabbits are a huge pest here (in fact, our local council was going to blow up their borrows but couldn't because of bushfire danger), but unless they're bothering me, I leave them alone. The owls enjoy them, so in our local area they're not such a big problem. Then again, I don't live in a farm so I suppose it's different for me.
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You're clearly ignoring the parts of my (and others) posts that actually relate to the thread in order to troll. I have stated clearly my thoughts on RainMaker enjoying his job (which was the point you refer to, no?), you're just arguing for arguments sake.
Actually, you aren't even arguing any more, you're just shouting the same poorly informed opinion over and over without giving any consideration to others thoughts on the matter.
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My first sentence wasn't intended to be serious, disregard.
The question out there was whether there were more humane methods to kill rats... and I answered it. Can you better a clean break of the neck and an instantaneous death? Whether or not such a method is effective in the country is irrelevant, because a specific question was asked.
How this relates to my knowledge regarding the country side, I do not know. Seems more like a strawman to me.
I think you'll find Spie was correct in his question. When you have 'a' rat (or two) at home a spring trap may well effectively deal with the problem... if you don't own a terrier that beats you to it
But out in the countryside, day in and day out, we can hardly place spring traps in every field can we?
Aside from the obvious danger to people, you'd end up killing and injuring more non-target species than anything. Plus, you'd need more traps than it would be possible to lay.GavinBrown, seems like you are being more than a tad pedantic with your replies. You knew full well what was being asked.
So, what method should be used to control the rat population as an alternative to the one used by the OP?
So, what method should be used to control the rat population as an alternative to the one used by the OP?
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