Scolari sacked!

[drunkenmaster]

I never wanted Mourinho to leave tbh. I do think, under Scolari we have been way below par this season, but i was looking forward to a team crafted by him over the summer. Everyone knows the style he plays and therefore the players he needs.

We need to bring back the days of 04/05, where we had solid defence and incredible pace in attack, with robben duff j.cole terrorising full backs. Along with this we had incredible fight and camaraderie, something we have not had since Mourinho left.

I just hope whatever happens now, we get in the CL spots and give the new manager the funds he needs over summer to build the team.

but who sold Robben, Duff and replaced them with Kalou, and..... who sold all your strikers and brought in, turd. Since those lot left, and iirc it was Ranieri that bough Robben, and Cech and almost all your good players, the attack has been crap, you've been a defensive side with when Drogba feels like showing up and when he gets lucky, winning games instead of losing. Morale has probably been going down due to the fact that Mourinho turned the club from a fantastic to watch(and mostly likely play in) Ranieri side who only didn't win the title as Arsenal went unbeaten that year, to a defensive, boring, non creative side who buy players, let other players rot in the reserves then send them off. OF which Mourinho was responsible for all of it, he sold your best attacking players, bought lots of crap, had a lot of luck, brought in huge players to see them rot on the bench and become unhappy.

 

[JohnnyG]

See to me I see a lot of, he should have done better, better tactics, etc. But what tactics, how would he have done better. They are one dimensional in attack because they have one striker, no wingers and can only attack through the centre. Maybe beletti/bosingwa as a right winger could have helped, but had there been 2 great wingers at the club surely they wouldn't be one dimensional. Likewise with another striker and not knocking it long to Anelka, and with wingers who didn't give the ball away constantly you'd be attacked less in the middle. LIkewise lampard/deco on the wings isn't going to help you defensively either.

Its all down to a ludicrously small squad in terms of quality, massive wages and being unable to afford to bring players in for the lacking positions, none of which is his fault.

Given the same players and the next manager, what will they do better. With no wingers, one striker, how will the next manager stop the offence being one dimensional?

We weren't one dimensional last year with a very similar squad.
We don't knock it long to Anelka and don't attack through the centre.
Lampard and Deco don't play on the wings.
Quaresma and Stoch are wingers, Bosingwa and Cole have been playing as wingers.
We have at least 4 strikers.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Im actually not sure if you're being serious or not. If you are then you'd love McManaman and Sherwood even more

lol, and quite true. McManaman is the worst simply because mid game they cut over to his voice for some random crap comment that you can't avoid. At least with Jamie you can switch channels as soon as the first half finishes.

 

[montymint]

chelsea is becoming the new newcastle.. wonder how many more they'll sack in the next 2 -3 seasons ;P

 

[DanH84]

We weren't one dimensional last year with a very similar squad.

there's your problem, i don't think your board are willing to support anyone who doesn't bring immediate success. you got to the last day of the premiership and beaten in the cl final on penalties after having a moderately poor start to the season where your most successful manager of recent times was removed. the guy you brought in got you within a posts width of the cl and he's gone. now 7months later while only 7 points and a game in hand off the lead you're chopping and changing again. it's not ideal for any manager to go to. + he'll have to work with that d*ck Kenyon.

 

[JohnnyG]

If a big rebuild is in order will Roman cough up more than he's already spent? Things are different since he first arrived with the blank cheques.

Nope, the new direction the club is taking will involve using a lot of the very promising young talents we already have.

Bosingwa
Ivanovic
Hutchinson
Mancienne
Mikel
Essien
Kakuta
Stoch
Di Santo
Sinclair

For instance.

 

[drunkenmaster]

We weren't one dimensional last year with a very similar squad.
We don't knock it long to Anelka and don't attack through the centre.
Lampard and Deco don't play on the wings.
Quaresma and Stoch are wingers, Bosingwa and Cole have been playing as wingers.
We have at least 4 strikers.

I've seen both Lampard and Deco play on the wing, Quarsema is mostly crap which is why a club that spent huge money on him have loaned him out 6 months later, yes on his day he's great, but he'll have 10 days total in his career where he's good enough. SToch hasn't shown anything at all yet. Bosingwa I might have missed playing at right wing, I've only seen him play right back.

You have Anelka, Drogba is attrocious and you have some basically youth striker in Di santo, and sorry Kakuta.

now lets see, Anelka, played most of the season, top prem scorer. Drogba 613 minutes, 1 goal, wooohoo, barely a footballer let alone a striker. Di Santo, 117 minutes, 1 assist. Kakuta, new, but not played a single minute yet.

you're "second" striker has played just over 6 games total and has one goal, your 3rd striker has barely played a game and a half. I think its fair to say Chelsea have one striker this year.

Compared to last year, Joe Cole has been out for a long time injured and missed quite a lot before his latest injury. Ballack has missed a lot more of this season than last season. essien, one of your best players has missed the whole season, Drogba, though pants and clearly wants out has missed much of the season. so thats 4 of your main players last year, that have missed large chunks of the season, thats a pretty massive difference as is tbh compared to last year. The problem is, the team can't play great without those players. Essien wasn't a winger but was really the only one of your central players with pace, he's easily the fastest of lampard, ballack, mikel and Deco. Joe Cole ai don't rate that high but is clearly a step up from Kalou and Malouda. The team isn't really "that" close to last year and was always going to suffer badly from injuries anywhere but the defence.

 

[Chris1712]

but who sold Robben, Duff and replaced them with Kalou, and..... who sold all your strikers and brought in, turd. Since those lot left, and iirc it was Ranieri that bough Robben, and Cech and almost all your good players, the attack has been crap, you've been a defensive side with when Drogba feels like showing up and when he gets lucky, winning games instead of losing. Morale has probably been going down due to the fact that Mourinho turned the club from a fantastic to watch(and mostly likely play in) Ranieri side who only didn't win the title as Arsenal went unbeaten that year, to a defensive, boring, non creative side who buy players, let other players rot in the reserves then send them off. OF which Mourinho was responsible for all of it, he sold your best attacking players, bought lots of crap, had a lot of luck, brought in huge players to see them rot on the bench and become unhappy.

I agree that Mourinho was never a dab hand in the transfer market, with a lot of behind the doors influence from Arnesen etc. I think really messing things up. But he could make the players play, and that's that. Morale and team spirit were incredible, we would grind results out from nothing and have a sense of invincibility.

A lot of bad transfers though, correct. Del Horno? Jarosik? Boulahrouz? Sidwell? Pizarro? Kezman (Although he won us the CC)?

Yeah not good! Kalou and Mikel I think are class buys though. Diarra was a good buy, if not a year or two early.

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

Im actually not sure if you're being serious or not. If you are then you'd love McManaman and Sherwood even more

This tickled me over the weekend.

"Liverpool Cannot win the title with their current squad, not in a million years. You cannot rely on 3 or 4 players throughout a season, and Liverpool are doing that, if you look at Man Utd they have; Rooney, Ronaldo and Tevez." Tim Sherwood.

 

[Grimley]

I doubt Avram will come back after got them to within a hairs breadth of both big trophies & was promptly booted out. If I was him I'd Big Roman where to go regardless of the pay.

As for big Roman himself, He'll want a big name in place (Van Gaal anyone?)

 

[Gustov]

Redknapp and Andy Gray aren't Tim Sherwood and Mcmanaman , the latter 2 are useless, i think the former talk a lot of sense though.

 

[BaZ87]

This tickled me over the weekend.

"Liverpool Cannot win the title with their current squad, not in a million years. You cannot rely on 3 or 4 players throughout a season, and Liverpool are doing that, if you look at Man Utd they have; Rooney, Ronaldo and Tevez." Tim Sherwood.

LOL

I was actually going to post that when he said it.

 

[FeFiDoh]

Jesus bad move imo

Look at how they started the season under them everyone said sure fire targets for the league, now players look uninterested/lack any passion or drive and most dont really seem bothered to even be playing.

They will struggle to find anyone that wants that job now BAD MOVE.

 

[DanH84]

yeah, i mean who the hell are those mythical 3rd and 4th players you're supposed to be able to rely on?
the man's a loon.

 

[adamibbo]

If i was a West Ham fan i'd be a bit nervous right now.

yep, zola or guus would be my favourites though

 

[drunkenmaster]

I agree that Mourinho was never a dab hand in the transfer market, with a lot of behind the doors influence from Arnesen etc. I think really messing things up. But he could make the players play, and that's that. Morale and team spirit were incredible, we would grind results out from nothing and have a sense of invincibility.

A lot of bad transfers though, correct. Del Horno? Jarosik? Boulahrouz? Sidwell? Pizarro? Kezman (Although he won us the CC)?

Yeah not good! Kalou and Mikel I think are class buys though. Diarra was a good buy, if not a year or two early.

Didn't the team morale come with Ranieri though? he had a good team, brought in great players, had them playing great football and they were great all year and almost won the league. HE was booted but Mourinho inherited a squad that just had to stay as good as they were last year, watch Arsenal not do as well and they would have won. The morale came from the squad Ranieri built. Chelsea were even better the next year with Cech and Robben who Ranieri bought before he was fired.

The team that was great, that built their morale was done on Ranieri's team, Mourinho slowly over 3 years destroyed that attacking creative team, got rid of far to many of the best players, replaced them with crap players and slowly the morale slipped away as the team got worse and worse. The following managers had this team that couldn't quite win and weren't as good and neither manager was allowed to spend properly.

Also remember that before Grant came in Mourinho was having a terrible start to the season, the confidence was going while he was still there, they were losing games they wouldn't have lost before and weren't winning the easy games. The squad was simply not good enough, its not like they fired a winning Mourinho, they fired a guy who had made so many mistakes on players that they wouldn't bankroll him anymore and got rid of him because he was being a mouthy tit who had turned a great attacking team into a defensive boring one. The problem was they needed a defensively minded manager who "could" buy good players without spunking 100mil on 5 players just to find one good one. They haven't looked the same side mentality wise since before mourinho left. Grant did an exceptional job tbh, and early season Chelsea form was the same as any other club, new manager form that went away and now doesn't have the players to keep going.

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

Mourinho was a great manager and the best Chelsea have had in years.

 

[eggyoke]

WOW!

Heard it in the taxi coming home from work. Very bad move in my opinion. I dont think the Chelsea board really understand that different managers means time and patience.

You only have to look at Grant, what was it? 1 penalty kick away from winning the champions league and something like 1 or 2 points away from the title... what the hell do they want?

 

[drunkenmaster]

Mourinho was a great manager and the best Chelsea have had in years.

nope, he was the manager who took the best managers squad and ran with it, then ruined it, then ran away.

Who in the current squad did Mourinho buy, Carvalho, Kalou, malouda, mikel, the porto right back and Drogba? he "tells" everyone he didn't buy Cashley or Ballack, and off the top of my head I can't name anymore.

 

[aslco]

Steve Clarke back as the gaffer?

Oooh yeah that would be interesting. Clarke and Zola back here would be immense.

We need to start afresh with new players all under the age of 25.....or atleast aim for something like that. get rid of dead weight.

Kenyon keeps going on about being level at the end of season by 2010 but how can you expect that when all we do is buy star 30 mil players who have passed their 30th birthdays?

I am moderatley surprised at the sacking. I think with different players and a longer spell in charge Scolari could have done well. Mind you i honestly can't judge when i am not behind the scenes.

WOW!

Heard it in the taxi coming home from work. Very bad move in my opinion. I dont think the Chelsea board really understand that different managers means time and patience.

You only have to look at Grant, what was it? 1 penalty kick away from winning the champions league and something like 1 or 2 points away from the title... what the hell do they want?

I agree i was slightly dissapointed by the sacking though it was always 'Grant who?' the whole time. yeah he did build up a lot of respect and went from being slagged off for no reason into being 'acceptable' but because he wasn't a big name to start with we never really fealt he would be an acceptable long term manager. It was a shame but as soon as Scolari was mentioned we all just ran after him.