NEC LCD24WMGX3 Professional Gaming 24" Widescreen

Hi all. I ordered this LCD last week after reading bunch of reviews and comments and everything looked like this is the monitor to buy. There was some mentioning of the "slight" ghosting in darker colors but otherwise there seemed it was not many faults on this lcd.

And now with the last few posts you really scared me. I wished for a bigger lcd (currently on 226bw) that would have better viewing angles so i could watch movies from my bed (that excludes probable every TN monitor out there). Gaming is still important to me and after reading about input lag,ghosting,... this came an obsession for me to not buy a lcd that would suck at gaming.

Well its to late to cancel my order and i expect to get it this week. Maybe it won't suck and i will be happy but now you gave me a reason to doubt if i should just buy HP 2475w for 100€ less that this one.
 
Faky said:
Hi all. I ordered this LCD last week after reading bunch of reviews and comments and everything looked like this is the monitor to buy. There was some mentioning of the "slight" ghosting in darker colors but otherwise there seemed it was not many faults on this lcd.

And now with the last few posts you really scared me. I wished for a bigger lcd (currently on 226bw) that would have better viewing angles so i could watch movies from my bed (that excludes probable every TN monitor out there). Gaming is still important to me and after reading about input lag,ghosting,... this came an obsession for me to not buy a lcd that would suck at gaming.

Well its to late to cancel my order and i expect to get it this week. Maybe it won't suck and i will be happy but now you gave me a reason to doubt if i should just buy HP 2475w for 100€ less that this one.
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Is the HP 2475w better for gaming then? Can you post your thoughts when you get it?

Cheers,

RoEy
 
RoEy said:
Is the HP 2475w better for gaming then? Can you post your thoughts when you get it?

Cheers,

RoEy
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it might be better for gaming, both have a 6ms grey to grey spec, but the Hp is 12ms ISO, and the NEC is rated 16ms ISO, which is basically the "worst case scenario" speed for a pixel(actually I'm not sure it is, but grey to grey is essentially best, ISO i believe is on to off, on to off to on somewhere is probably the worst case scenario) but if ISO is more representitive of performance, it would show the NEC is a 1/3 slower than the HP.

FOr instance I was just playing the Witcher and the intro video theres a bit with a bright background and the character running away weaving in and out, it was horrible, so much ghosting it was a joke. But the problem is the character, which was very dark, was moving across a light background so the pixel had a long way to change its colour and it was fairly slow at doing so. In left 4 dead, the background is generally dark, the characters are dark and ghosting wasn't really noticeable. the later would be mostly grey to grey transitions, which is where all lcd's are fastest. THe former scenario is more the worst case scenario with the bigger changes in colour and fast movement theres a lot of ghosting. Hopefully the HP will be similar in the grey to grey, but the other example it will be well a heck of a lot faster.

tftcentral does say the HP feels faster than the NEC< which really does beg the question what is the NEC better at, normal gamut colour, yes, response, no, imputs, arguable, black colour, no. Personally, though I've yet to see the HP my guess would be, only get the NEC if you "HAVE" to have normal colour gamut, if wide gamut is fine the HP will be better all around.

I'm still trying to decide which way to go, basically certainly sending it back now, just deciding, do I go speed with the Acer, or accuracy of colour and better gaming than the NEC with the HP. Really can't decide.
 
It is weird that you have so much problem with ghosting.Others, like Nihilath, reported some slight problem with ghosting only in Counter Strike Source on Train map, but he said that Witcher, GRID...many other games are absolutely fine.I would bet that you have some really bad piece.

But one of the big reasons why it is sold as gaming monitor is probably the absence of input lag, especially in through mode.And since I am extremely sensitive to input lag, I doubt I would be happy with HP : /.

But I will see this week how it turns out...I will definitely post my impressions here.

But since I live in Czech Republic, it will be a pain in the ass if I'd have to RMA it.
 
garethrobinson1 said:
The monitor is fine for gaming - they're just being ultra-fussy imo.
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I sure hope youre right. In my country it sells for 1050€+ so i ordered it from Germany for 600€+30€ shipping. Still a lot of money in my case, so i really hope everything works out fine.

I will try to make some amateur tests and post resoults here. And there is a slim chance that my friend will buy HP so we might get a duel :)
 
drunkenmaster said:
FOr instance I was just playing the Witcher and the intro video theres a bit with a bright background and the character running away weaving in and out, it was horrible, so much ghosting it was a joke. But the problem is the character, which was very dark, was moving across a light background so the pixel had a long way to change its colour and it was fairly slow at doing so.
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After reading this, I just watched the Witcher intro video again. It looks perfect! Whether that's down to a difference in panel or eyeballs I don't know. Earlier on in this thread I gave a list of why I chose this (at the original price) over the HP. I still stand by everything in that, although the HP also seems to have had some green/pink tinge issues reported since my post.
 
Good to know.

Drunkenmaster, Saltank and few other have probably either faulty panels or faulty eyes, but that of course does not stop them from spewing nonsense all over the internet : ).Though I understand that, I will be spewing it myself If the one I get will be faulty : )).
 
Damn! It's so difficult! I have until Thursday to decide....

Do I get 2 cheaper 24" monitors instead and enjoy lag free gaming or do I go for quality over quantity? I personally think the HP looks vile compared to the NEC but if it's a better monitor overall then I might go for it. I love CSS though so I'd hate to see lag in that game; well in any game if I'm honest. Are people just being really fussy?

A confused RoEy...:confused:
 
I also think that this monitor is fine for gaming. I could probably find ghosting if I looked for it (and I don't see it obviously in The Witcher intro) but when I'm gaming I don't notice a thing.

I don't want to come off as offending, but some of the stuff people are describing would often mean that it's time for new glasses (assuming the monitor itself isn't faulty, or in one of the insane flickery modes).

On the other hand, text on this monitor is so clear that it's actually relaxing and there's no green or pink hints that sooo many monitors have on text. Realistically, how much time do you spend looking at text vs looking at games? (OK, so I'm a programmer.)

Versus two cheaper 24" monitors then it really depends what you're paying for. If you can cope with cheaper monitors then presumably you don't also need the inputs or pixel scaling, in which case £450 on one monitor for just "image quality" doesn't seem worth it.
 
RoEy said:
Damn! It's so difficult! I have until Thursday to decide....

Do I get 2 cheaper 24" monitors instead and enjoy lag free gaming or do I go for quality over quantity? I personally think the HP looks vile compared to the NEC but if it's a better monitor overall then I might go for it. I love CSS though so I'd hate to see lag in that game; well in any game if I'm honest. Are people just being really fussy?

A confused RoEy...:confused:
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There is practically zero LAG on NEC....and supposedly only very small ghosting in CSS in only some of the maps, and even that is possible to make go away by using one of the MP modes.
 
Wow this thread keeps running in circles :confused:

It seems you guys convinced yourself that denying the serious chosting issue this screen suffers from will make it go away.

So to state the obvious: This screen ghosts extremely bad
- It's not even like it's a issue thats hard to detect
- No OSD setting offers any remedy
- It's not a faulty panel
- IMHO NEC should be ashamed for trying to bump the price excessively on a this mediocre LCD at best
 
Ladies and gentlemen, I present you!:

Flying Gribble

VERSUS

nightrhyme !!!

FIGHT!

Now, whose side am I gonna take is gonna be decided this week (unless DHL fraks up somehow).
 
LOL! No fight necessary :)

Whilst I have every respect for nightrhyme, I see no ghosting in the scenarios described. He has seen more different monitors than me though. Maybe it's my eyeballs. :eek:

I think I've mentioned seeing slight ghosting with one of the online monitor tests, but absolutely nothing I could ever describe as "extremely bad". I'm not in denial, nor trying to convince myself or anyone.
 
nightrhyme said:
Wow this thread keeps running in circles :confused:

It seems you guys convinced yourself that denying the serious chosting issue this screen suffers from will make it go away.

So to state the obvious: This screen ghosts extremely bad
- It's not even like it's a issue thats hard to detect
- No OSD setting offers any remedy
- It's not a faulty panel
- IMHO NEC should be ashamed for trying to bump the price excessively on a this mediocre LCD at best
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I think extremely bad seems to be taking it a bit far with respect to the ghosting. I think TFTcentrals review is very good and it states that the ghosting is visable:

'I could tell the movement was not as smooth and sharp as some of the other 24" models we have tested, and you could also detect a noticeable (but faint) ghost image behind the car'.

But also note that the HP also has a ghosting issue:

'In contrast, the LP2475W didn't show any of this, but did show a slight dark trail behind the moving car. This was evident if you looked closely at the moving image, even without capturing it with the camera.'

The one thing the most monitors cant seem to match is the extremely low input lag esp in the 'Through Mode'. I think this is why its labelled as a Gaming Monitor.

If you want better picture it seems to be the HP. If you want low lag the NEC. If you want in between the Harzo HZ24Wi seems a good option but this monitor has other issues. It seems that there is no ultimate 24" LCD at the moment. They all have flaws.

Then there is also the Acer G24. I would like to see TFTCentral review this too. Its a TN panel with the usuall flaws but seems to be ultra quick and its a good £100 cheaper. Maybe save the cash and buy this as none of the others are perfect.
 
F4810 said:
If you want better picture it seems to be the HP. If you want low lag the NEC.
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I dont agree with this. We use HPs at work nowadays (all our new workstations come with either 2x2275w or 2475w), comparing them to the NEC I would say the only place the HP takes the lead is:

1. In colormanaged apps (most of our people using it is doing Illustrator/PS stuff), where the 92% gamut actually is actually put to use.
2. At wide angles, where IPS will always be ahead of VA's.

The NEC is noticably better at displaying regular unmanaged content than the HP is, which is what you'll be using this for.
 
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Goofball said:
I dont agree with this. We use HPs at work nowadays (all our new workstations come with either 2x2275w or 2475w), comparing them to the NEC I would say the only place the HP takes the lead is:

1. In colormanaged apps (most of our people using it is doing Illustrator/PS stuff), where the 92% gamut actually is actually put to use.
2. At wide angles, where IPS will always be ahead of VA's.

The NEC is noticably better at displaying regular unmanaged content than the HP is, which is what you'll be using this for.
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I should have been clearer as I was talking in terms of gaming. I meant that the ghosting effect on the HP is not as visable. It is a dark ghost thats not as prominent as the light one on the NEC. This seems to be the point that seems to bug people most on the NEC.
 
NEC.......excellent all round monitor whether it be for high res gaming / graphics, word processing or visiting the tinternet..10/10. No regrets..:D
 
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