Pirate bay court case

Don't they have a good "takedown" policy? i.e. they take down torrents (without question) if the copyright owner requests removal.
 
They are not the source though; the pirate bay stores no copyrighted content on it's servers. The source are the people who seed those torrent files.

All they can be tried on is "making available" which has been a very grey area in past cases.
the source are the groups like deviant , razor1911 , reloaded , lol , or whoever is around these days.

they are the ones who crack games protection and release them via FTP dump sites it is known as the "scene" not the torrent scene the real "scene" with groups of people race to see who can break the copy protection , rip the movie etc and get it released onto the internet the fastest.

they have there own sets of rules all rar's must be a certain size etc

they do it for fun not for profit and rarely a group will get busted by the FBI or whoever and the leader will turn out to be some corporate guy with bags of money in the bank from his legit high paid job.

rather than going after these people the games, music , movies industry people decide to go after the easy targets instead..

anyway you could compare the pirate bay to google, do a google search for "torrent movienamehere" etc and walla! google is now aiding piracy all the pirate bay is really is a torrent search site
 
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Don't they have a good "takedown" policy? i.e. they take down torrents (without question) if the copyright owner requests removal.

A good take down policy would be pro-active, if over 95% of the stuff on there site is links to downloads of copyright material I would hardly say they have a good take down policy! It's just a piece of paper to hide behind and it is clearly ineffective.

Not really, there are providing an area to store and track .torrent files. These .torrent files contain no illegal information.

95% + of which link to copyright material, they are facilitating the download of copyright material, make no effort to remove the links to copyright material etc etc etc the practice of this and other such sights is morally wrong just because the law doesn't currently prohibit there activities or regulate them doesn't make there actions right.
 
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95% + of which link to copyright material, they are facilitating the download of copyright material, make no effort to remove the links to copyright material etc etc etc the practice of this and other such sights is morally wrong just because the law doesn't currently prohibit there activities or regulate them doesn't make there actions right.

But I don't want to pay for my porn :(
 
A good take down policy would be pro-active, if over 95% of the stuff on there site is links to downloads of copyright material I would hardly say they have a good take down policy! It's just a piece of paper to hide behind and it is clearly ineffective.



95% + of which link to copyright material, they are facilitating the download of copyright material, make no effort to remove the links to copyright material etc etc etc the practice of this and other such sights is morally wrong just because the law doesn't currently prohibit there activities or regulate them doesn't make there actions right.

We going to shut down google as well? The pirate bay is just a search engine for torrents and the majority of these torrents can be found on google.
 
They won't succeed most prolly, I put 80% odds into the pirate bay.

If they succeed, nothing will happen, new sites will take it's place.

Remember suprnova went kaboom, mininova took over.
 
A good take down policy would be pro-active, if over 95% of the stuff on there site is links to downloads of copyright material I would hardly say they have a good take down policy! It's just a piece of paper to hide behind and it is clearly ineffective.

I'm not on either side, just saying they operate in a way similar to YouTube*

*which is also riddled with unauthorised use of IP ;)
 
Don't release groups put disclaimers in all their readme.txt files to say if you like the game, support the developer and buy it?

Now I know that doesn't make it right but it's there none the less.
 
The way the charges have been dropped left right and center shows in a harsh light the utter ignorance, incompetence and ineptness of the people trying to go after the filesharers. They have no clue what's going on whatsoever, nor even the slightest idea of how the whole thing works. They didn't even realize that Pirate Bay doesn't even actually host any content or copyrighted works until halfway into this sorry state of a trial. This is why I think they will fail abysmally, and walk away with their tails between their legs feeling sorry for themselves.

Instead of fighting the system, they should take advantage of it. Current legal distribution methods are woefully poor and inadequate, and they are absolutely not budging from it.
 
The way the charges have been dropped left right and center shows in a harsh light the utter ignorance, incompetence and ineptness of the people trying to go after the filesharers. They have no clue what's going on whatsoever, nor even the slightest idea of how the whole thing works. They didn't even realize that Pirate Bay doesn't even actually host any content or copyrighted works until halfway into this sorry state of a trial. This is why I think they will fail abysmally, and walk away with their tails between their legs feeling sorry for themselves.

Instead of fighting the system, they should take advantage of it. Current legal distribution methods are woefully poor and inadequate, and they are absolutely not budging from it.

I wonder how much money the companies would save on production costs of just putting out a game/video via a torrent/Steam equivilent.
 
They would save so much. I actually find it staggering that all these companies with their 'MUST-SAVE-MONEY' ethos and profit-grabbing greed, they don't even look into digital distribution, which eliminates the need for a third party publisher, or the manufacturing of physical goods and so on. It costs practically nothing to lug music or films over the internet with sensible file rights management, compared to having to print dvds and send them off to be sold and all that jazz.

Look at Valve. PC gaming is 'dead' but these guys are laughing all the way to the bank thanks to their digital distribution platform.
 
They would save so much. I actually find it staggering that all these companies with their 'MUST-SAVE-MONEY' ethos and profit-grabbing greed, they don't even look into digital distribution, which eliminates the need for a third party publisher, or the manufacturing of physical goods and so on. It costs practically nothing to lug music or films over the internet with sensible file rights management, compared to having to print dvds and send them off to be sold and all that jazz.

Look at Valve. PC gaming is 'dead' but these guys are laughing all the way to the bank thanks to their digital distribution platform.

I don't know. If you put 4.5GB of data up for direct distribution then you'll be pushing some SERIOUS bandwidth for a relatively popular title.

Bit Torrent could alleviate this problem, but still..
 
Instead of fighting the system, they should take advantage of it. Current legal distribution methods are woefully poor and inadequate, and they are absolutely not budging from it.

Couldn't agree more. Itunes is a great example with its recent mickey take of charging users 20p per track to remove DRM and up the quality of music to a bitrate still less than that of illegal means. My sisters' partner for example would have had to pay just under £100 to upgrade all his music, nice way to treat a law abiding customer. I remember in the days of oink where people weren't allowed to upload music unless it was at least 320kbits/sec which was far more appealing than paying to get 128kb/sec music that was typically loaded with drm.

I don't know. If you put 4.5GB of data up for direct distribution then you'll be pushing some SERIOUS bandwidth for a relatively popular title.

Thing is, Microsoft, Sony and even Valve are constantly adding free demos to their digital distribution services, many of which exceed 1gig yet all three manage to share these files for free (yes you have to pay for a gold sub on live but you still have access to the online store with a free silver account)
 
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Just to take the thread on a different tangent, why not go after he likes of limewire, soulseek as they provide a means to access copyrighted material and actually host the users that provide it.

Or even major ISP's like virgin media for not regulating what is posted on their newsgroups, i.e binary files, you can get pretty much anything from there at maximum download speeds. More to the point, the files are actually stored on the newsgroup servers iirc.

I'm not going to defend anybody for piracy, but there's nothing anybody will be able to do ever, they will always find a way round it.
 
Seems the problem in the future may not be downloading from these sources, even if all major companies in music/film/tv/games embrace torrents the problem will come from ISP's limiting bandwidth.
 
Seems the problem in the future may not be downloading from these sources, even if all major companies in music/film/tv/games embrace torrents the problem will come from ISP's limiting bandwidth.

That won't happen - the industry is going in completely the opposite direction & is being encouraged to do so by governments who see the economic potential of ultra fast web access. Soon (2 - 3 years) legitimate HD TV streaming will dwarf any other kind of data usage.
 
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