People with Lord titles in their name?

touch said:
You cant buy a "Lord" title (unless you pay directly into a labour account).
You can buy a "Laird" title, which is the Scottish equivalent to lord, because it applies to anybody who is a landowner.

Actually, im not sure you can even buy a Laird title anymore? Anybody know?
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Yes you can still. And you can buy English "Lordship of the the Manor" too which legally entitles you to put "Lord of the Manor of Lower Piddling-in-the-Trough or some such place" after your name.

Of course, you are alos legally entitled to change you name by deed poll to "Lord" whatever.
 
Almost all businessmen for the last 100 years(at least) have bought their positions either through direct contributions from their firms/personnel assets/indirect contributions.
 
Greebo said:
Of course, you are alos legally entitled to change you name by deed poll to "Lord" whatever.
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Of course, that makes perfect sense to do it.

Your title would still be "Mr." and your first name would be "Lord".

Great.
 
Strife212 said:
UCAS is a real laugh, the list of titles in the dropdown box is a joke, Admiral is one I remember. If you were an admiral why in gods name would you be applying for UCAS, and even if you were, surely they could just let you type your title in instead of having a dropdown box full of every title under the sun.
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I was just thinking of the UCAS ones, seem to remember you could have all sorts of military titles on that.

Every time I fill in a form I want to put a title down, but always get to scared :(
 
In case anyone is wondering what all the titles on the UCAS site are, and cant be bothered to go an see them, they are as follows:

Miss
Mr
Mrs
Ms
Br
Capt
Dame
Dr
Fr
Frau
Herr
Hon
HRH
Lady
Lord
Lt
Maj
Mdm
Prin
Prof
Pte
Rev
Revd
Sir
Sgt
Sr
Visc
Engr
Brns
Bron
Earl
Marq
Duch
Duke
PSir
RevD
RHon
Ven
VRev
RRev
Brgd
Col
Gen
WgCd
GpCp
ACdr
AVM
AM
Adm
RAdm
VAdm

Im not even sure what a lot of them are :confused:
 
Feek said:

Of course, that makes perfect sense to do it.

Your title would still be "Mr." and your first name would be "Lord".

Great.
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Except when booking stuff how many people say mister before their name? You would say Lord so and so and nobody would question or even probably ask whether you were "mister"
 
"Can I take your name please?"

"Lord Smith"

"OK, and your first name?"

"I just told you, it's Lord"

Anything else and you're blatantly telling porkies.

This is a great site. I suggest people have a read.
 
Feek said:
"Can I take your name please?"

"Lord Smith"

"OK, and your first name?"

"I just told you, it's Lord"

Anything else and you're blatantly telling porkies.

This is a great site. I suggest people have a read.
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No, say you are called "John Smith" change name by deed pole to Lord John Smith so you get:

"Can I take your name please?"

"Lord John Smith"

"Hello Lord Smith, how can we help you today?"
 
Greebo said:
Of course, you are also legally entitled to change you name by deed poll to "Lord" whatever.
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Except you're not ;)

HM Courts said:
By Deed Poll, you can officially change any part or all of your name. For example, you can change your forenames, surname (or both), add names, remove names, change the spelling of your names or rearrange your existing names. You can change your name by Deed Poll as often as you want, at any time and for any reason provided it is not for deceptive or fraudulent purposes.

Source: http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/9805.htm
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That includes changing your name to Lord, Sir, Doctor etc.
 
Hxc said:
I'd like to be a Baron...
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You can buy a Lord or Baron title from Sealand., I keep meaning to do it one day.

Can anyone enlighten me what the difference is between Lord and Baron? Obviously they are completely different. But how/why?
 
Hades said:
You can buy a Lord or Baron title from Sealand., I keep meaning to do it one day.

Can anyone enlighten me what the difference is between Lord and Baron? Obviously they are completely different. But how/why?
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As far as I know, no-one is 'a Lord' or 'a Sir', that's just what the misinformed would refer to them as.

If you're an Earl, a Duke or a Baron you'll get addressed 'Lord X' and if you're a Baronet or a Knight you'll be called 'Sir X'. There's an order of precedence of the aristocracy with the ruling Monarch at the top and 'younger sons of Baronets' at the bottom.

There's a very good book published by Debrett - it's called Debrett's correct form. Tells you how to address all titled people including military and government, either face to face or in a letter.
 
Hades said:
You can buy a Lord or Baron title from Sealand., I keep meaning to do it one day.
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Many readers of Fake Titles have specially requested me to include details about Sealand, the so-called Principality that is offering through eBay the opportunity to buy the titles of Baron or Baroness of Sealand.

However, it might be interesting to view the information about Sealand in Wikipedia, where it states that:

“The Principality of Sealand is a micronation (a self-declared but unrecognized state-like entity) that claims as its territory Roughs Tower, a former Maunsell Sea Fort located in the North Sea 10 km (six miles) off the coast of Suffolk, England, at 51°53′40″N, 1°28′57″E, as well as territorial waters in a twelve-nautical-mile radius. Sealand is occupied by the family and associates of Paddy Roy Bates. The population of the facility rarely exceeds five, and its inhabitable area is 550 m².

Although Sealand's claims to sovereignty and legitimacy are not recognized by any country, it is probably the world's best-known micronation, and is sometimes cited in debates as an interesting case study of how various principles of international law can be applied to a territorial dispute.”

You might find that the promises to those tempted to buy one of their ‘titles’ sound somewhat familiar:

“Do you sometimes get the feeling you were destined for greatness? Would you like people to give you a little more respect? How would you like to join the ranks of the privileged few?

No longer do you have to be content being Mr. or Mrs. Average. Now, you can join the silver spoon club without resorting to marriage or inheritance. Yes - you can now become an official Baron or Baroness of Sealand.

Our special pack entitles you to become a Baron or Baroness which will give your social status a bit of clout.

Approved by Prince Michael of Sealand

So Isn’t It Time To Make Your Friends and Family Jealous?

Use it to ensure you get treated like a VIP
Capture the chances that would have otherwise slips through your grasp
Get invited to all the important parties
Gets you instantly noticed and gains you respect and the credibility you may not have had in the past.
Impress the bank manager, or someone you are fond of
It can open doors you never thought would open for you.
Get upgraded on flights
Enjoy the highlife - you deserve it”

Still thinking that it is a good idea? How would you feel if you turned up at a party and found that there were two other couples, also calling themselves Baron and Baroness of Sealand - then it might not feel quite so exclusive after all.

And, when you take into account the fact that Sealand is not actually recognised by any nation, possibly you might consider that it is better to save your money instead.
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"Hi, I'm the Baron of Sealand"

"Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha" *breathe* "Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha"

A fool and his money are easily parted, isn't that the saying?
 
laissez-faire said:
As far as I know, no-one is 'a Lord' or 'a Sir', that's just what the misinformed would refer to them as.

If you're an Earl, a Duke or a Baron you'll get addressed 'Lord X' and if you're a Baronet or a Knight you'll be called 'Sir X'. There's an order of precedence of the aristocracy with the ruling Monarch at the top and 'younger sons of Baronets' at the bottom.

There's a very good book published by Debrett - it's called Debrett's correct form. Tells you how to address all titled people including military and government, either face to face or in a letter.
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Correct. If you are awarded a Life Peerage, (e.g. buy a title for Labour) you'll become John Smith, Baron of Buckinghamshire, (as an example)

Formal Address is The Rt Hon The Lord/Lady Buckinghamshire
Referred to is John, Lord Buckinghamshire
Informal is Lord Smith

Incorrect is Lord John Smith as the papers often say.

In Descending order of importance:

Royal Duke (e.g. Duke of Edinburgh)

Duke
Begin: My Lord Duke
Address: His Grace the Duke of Buckinghamshire
Speak to as: Your Grace
Ceremonial, formal, or legal title: The Most High, Noble and Potent Prince His Grace John, Duke of Buckinghamshire


Children: Referred to as Lord Forename Surname & Lady Forename Surname.

Except the oldest child where he can use any title lower than that of Duke that his father has. E.g. If his father was also and Earl (lower than a Duke) he could use that tite.

Marquess
Formal: The Most Honourable The Marquess of Buckinghamshire
Informal: Lord Buckinghamshire', and his wife "Lady Buckinghamshire

Children: Same as Duke

Earl

Formal: Earl of Buckinghamshire
Informal: Lord Buckinghamshire

Children: The Eldest Son can use any unused title (courtesy title) or is styled as Lord X. All other children are referred to as The Honourable Forename Surname or The Lady Forename Surname. (Lady Diana Spencer being an example)

Viscount

Mainly used as a courtsey title for children of Marquesses and Earls.

Formal: The Viscount of Buckinghamshire
Informal: Lord Buckinghamshire
Addressed as: My Lord

All children are referred to as The Honourable Forename Surname

Baron- Heredity


Formal: Baron John of Buckinghamshire
Informal: Lord Buckinghamshire

Children styled as The Honourable Forename Surname

Baron - Life

Formal: Baron John of Buckinghamshire
Informal: Lord Buckinghamshire

Children styled as The Honourable Forename Surname, and continue to be even after the death of the life peer.




Traditionally all Prime ministers get offered a Heredity peerage when they leave the house of commons. Thatcher was the last one to be offered it but turned it down saying she didn't have the money to support it and took a life one instead, (Baroness Thatcher). John Major should be next.

Only 5 heredity peers have been awardard since Willson's government (64), 2 of which were to the Royal Family, 2 Viscounts who both died without heirs and The Earldom of Stockton that was awarded to McMillan upon leaving the commons.

Not quite as simple as that as some people use their last names instead of Buckinghamshire etc etc but that's the rough jist. If you're setting a table then you have to integrate the church and army ranks into that list as well.
 
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