Hull accuse Fabregas of spitting

I usually don't bother reading you're posts dm but as im bored i have done this time.

You want more examples of Fabregas cheating other than the Arteta incident? What about when he done the same thing with Ashley Cole (after a shocking tackle by Fabregas too btw), or again the same thing with Robben or what about Heskey?

You and Lizard are trying to claim that Fabregas behaves better than most other players. I'd like to see how many other players you can come up with that have a history of diving/cheating like Fabregas, spitting at players like Fabregas, throwing pizza at opposition managers or even just insulting opposition managers like Fabregas has.
 
normanthefarmer said:
yeah but the pizza-gate incident was more then jsut the pizza incident, there was a scuffle in the tunnel before hand. I dont see how you can defend Fabregas for spitting at brown, wweather it feet or face the intention was still there.
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firstly not even brown is accusing Fabregas of spitting at him, he says he spat at his assistant, maybe it happened, maybe it didn't.

I won't defend him if its true he spat at someone, its awful, but I don't automatically believe it because Brown supposedly said so(at this point I haven't seen an interview or anything of Brown actually saying so).
 
i just watched the replay of that after match interview, it really does reek of sour grapes.....not only the "alleged" Fabregas incedent but talking about Wenger not shaking his hand.

obviously there's a lot more going on behind the scenes that we don't know about but to cry about Wenger not shaking his hand .....maybe if they didn't start deliberate time wasting 15mins into the game :o Wenger would be more sporting.

here's a happy thought for Phil, you won't have to worry about a next time coz i doubt we'll be playing in the premiership next season, **** ******.
 
BaZ87 said:
I usually don't bother reading you're posts dm but as im bored i have done this time.

You want more examples of Fabregas cheating other than the Arteta incident? What about when he done the same thing with Ashley Cole (after a shocking tackle by Fabregas too btw), or again the same thing with Robben or what about Heskey?

You and Lizard are trying to claim that Fabregas behaves better than most other players. I'd like to see how many other players you can come up with that have a history of diving/cheating like Fabregas, spitting at players like Fabregas, throwing pizza at opposition managers or even just insulting opposition managers like Fabregas has.
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Gerrard this season alone has dived, cheated, been arrested, got into fights and kissed that camera which for being the most cringeworthy moment of the last decade in football gets counted aswell frankly.

Ashley cole is a tit and completely and utterly let down everyone involved with the club, considering he's almost the most widely regarded git in the league at the moment with everyone of the opinion he's a tit I don't have much sympathy frankly. Lets not forget he OVER REACTED after cole PUT HIS HAND AROUND HIS THROAT. he didn't fall over 5 yards from the nearest player or jump in the air and land on Ramos, Cole did something wrong and he acted like it was worse, which for is hardly the crime of the century.

Vieira got sent off for his kick out at RVN, yet RVN pretended like he almost got kicked despite being about 400 metres away. Yet quite rightly I blame Vieira for doing the much worse thing, RVN was a turd about it but didn't exactly murder anyone.

Likewise, Arteta did infact foul Fabregas, and quantifying just how painful it should have been getting elbowed in the jaw compared to how you thought he should have been in pain is pretty difficult.


If you actually watch the robben incident, he's not jumping up begging for yellow cards, and the more you watch it the more you'll see how far Robben swings his arm and that he does catch his jaw.

Has anyone on this forum ever, i mean really ever been in a fight. Do you not remember that if you get a sharp bit of pain when you're not expecting it, it can seem bad, and then go away. Thats life, brother punching you incredibly hard in the arm, for a split second it might feel like the worst pain ever and 5 seconds later its gone. apparently not.

so your incidents, that I can find quick clips of, are of three incidents he was fouled, did nothing like brandishing cards, rolled about a bit, and thats it. Sorry, again failing to see the problem. He didn't react as well as possibly would be nice, but far better than a LOT of players in the league and also for me cole/arteta and robben ones WERE fouls. over reacting to a foul is a lot less bad than simply flat out cheating. Because remember if over reacting is trying to get someone sent off for something they DID do, flat out cheating is trying to get people sent off for something they DIDN'T do. Anyone in the latter catagory is worse, without question ever time, i can name the leagues worst offender easily.
 
Don't worry dm. I'd be worried if you agreed with me. Maybe im going to have to put you on ignore now that i've started to read your posts.
 
BaZ87 said:
Don't worry dm. I'd be worried if you agreed with me. Maybe im going to have to put you on ignore now that i've started to read your posts.
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simple question for you then, whats worse, cheating, or over reacting to a real foul?

In all honesty is the Robben thing that bad for you, or the Heskey, theres clear contact in both, after Heskey he leans over a bit and holds his face, I didn't see the fake card, or the rolling around, for the robben one he gets a pretty hard slap in the jaw, goes down gets back up, no fake cards being brandished, no shouting at Robben, Robben doesn't really complain and no other chelsea players complain. This is the worst things he did you could come up with. 4 fouls with 1 crappy over reacting against Cole(which honestly we can ALL understand :p ), the Arteta is probably a bad over reacting though its a pretty hefty elbow tbh, the other two he barely reacts tbh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wF87vHYDjc&feature=related

more proof of Fabregas's upstanding personality, ;)

THe latest thing I've seen is he spat at Horton's feet is the "allegation" by Brown. Whose also had a massive pointless and ridiculous tirade about everything. Despite his keeper time wasting from their goal onwards apparently Wenger's a bad manager for getting his keeper booked. It doesn't matter he deserved it much earlier or that every manager including himself would complain about a keeper taking over a minute to take a kick. He's just in a crappy mood and complaining about everything, Fabregas probably spat on the floor Horton walked by, suddenly its Fabregas spitting at Horton.
 
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I don't see why Cesc would spit at Horton, unless Horton has also said or done something. Why hasn't Brown come out with this?

Nothing more than Allardyce bitch.
 
Don't think Fabregas is anywhere near as bad as you're pointing out BaZ, he did a couple of things I disagree with in his earlier years though
 
BaZ87 said:
I usually don't bother reading you're posts dm but as im bored i have done this time.

You want more examples of Fabregas cheating other than the Arteta incident? What about when he done the same thing with Ashley Cole (after a shocking tackle by Fabregas too btw), or again the same thing with Robben or what about Heskey?

You and Lizard are trying to claim that Fabregas behaves better than most other players. I'd like to see how many other players you can come up with that have a history of diving/cheating like Fabregas, spitting at players like Fabregas, throwing pizza at opposition managers or even just insulting opposition managers like Fabregas has.
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I agree that Fab is no angel. He definately has a side to his personality that on occasion has made him look a right twit. I wouldn't even be suprised if it comes to light that he did spit as Brown has claimed.

To say he is a constant offender though is nonsense. I'm sure its possible to find more examples of this kind of behaviour from players like Ronaldo (just generally everything), Gerrard (diving), Rooney (ref abuse), Cole (ref abuse), Diouf (whatever) and on and on. These are players who you will generally see doing their thing on a game to game basis.

He does have that side to his personality, but there are examples from the other teams in the top 4 of players who are as bad if not worse than him and thats without the likes of your Blackburn's, Hull's, Bolton's etc.

There is also a trend in the media to highlight this more when its a non English player. I wonder if it had been Lampard, Rooney, Terry or Gerrard, that Setanta would have gone on and on about it as they did last night.
 
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Flobregas said:
"I categorically deny that I spat at anybody after the match," said the 21-year-old Gunners midfielder.

"I have never done this in my whole career on the pitch, so why would I do it when I am not even playing?
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Hlebio said:
To be fair, Fabregas spat at Ballack 4 years ago in the CL.
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Not surprising really, he's always been a gobby little ****.
 
well the latest "info" now is it happened on the pitch and the simple way Cesc is denying it so vehmently saying look at all the video you want there is no way in hell it happened. Considering he doesn't know what the assistant manager looks like and its now "on the pitch" rather than in the tunnel I'm guessing at worst he spat on the pitch(hardly new for footballers) and Horton was walking close and Brown's gone mental.

Bigbeard has it party right, I really think I would be incredibly surprised if it was true he spat at someone, maybe having done it once before years ago when he was what 17 and had been being kicked about all game is simply not the same situation, he was never close to a repeat offender.

I think i would class "offences" in this order, violence on the pitch is by far the worst, punching, horrific challenges and the like, easily the worst thing you can do on the pitch, something Fabregas isn't remotely close to guilty of. second I would say flat out cheating, diving with no contact, forcing contact and that kind of crap. I might stick in those players who constantly do niggling nasty but not really yellow card tackles throughout an entire game, not strictly violent but just nasty little gits(barton, Brown, Lucas) just there to spoil the game through constant small fouls.

Lastly I'd put over reactions which maybe Cesc is guilty of, still maybe not. I still don't see him rolling over 50 times brandishing cards, the seemingly 4 occasions in what 5 years of almost playing every game, all after real fouls.
 
BaZ87 said:
30 seconds on youtube and you'll find more examples of Fabregas cheating than you would Gerrard or Ronaldo.
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That doesn't even mean anything. It just denotes that more (sad?) people have uploaded something onto Youtube, not whether somebody's precedent in a behaviour.

drunkenmaster said:
Lastly I'd put over reactions which maybe Cesc is guilty of, still maybe not. I still don't see him rolling over 50 times brandishing cards, the seemingly 4 occasions in what 5 years of almost playing every game, all after real fouls.
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I never seem to understand why sometimes, there are people that think that rolling around is an acceptable reaction because a player's been fouled in previous minutes of the match. Never quite got that one.
 
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JohnnyG said:

Not surprising really, he's always been a gobby little ****.
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TO be fair, theres entirely NO proof there he spat, he leaned in then leaned a bit further, you could quite easily accuse Ballack of pretending he was spat at rather than accuse Cesc of spitting. Bear in mind afaik spitting incidents are very rarely not investigated and from my googling I see nothing about Ballack complaining, investigations into the incident and so on. Afaik the ref gave him a yellow card for the tackle, spitting + yellow card doesn't seem likely if a ref see's someone spitting in someones face it would be a straight red, Ballack would also be a little angrier than he was.
 
Can anyone actually see spit in those Ballack Youtube clips or are my eyes bad? (Not saying he didn't, just saying I can't see it in that vid)
 
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